Featured The genuine gospel is neither Arminian nor Calvinist

^If he denies being proud like he is doing here that means he is ashamed of it.

Any coward who has Hitler for a God will let their own mother be damned.

The concept of love you enemies is alien to their idea of God and to themselves. God doesn't even forgive anyone he forces a brain/heart transplant.

We see Jesus however "forgive them they know not what they do".

We see Sephen:

Acts 7
59They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.

^ SAID NO Calvinist EVER.

They would view it as an audacity to question or command God. Because they don't believe God is Love. Love has differ vocabulary. There is like 2nd class fake love.

They don't believe the actual force pushing for forgiveness and mercy is God.

We see PAUL,


Romans 9

2that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,

I would eat my own shoe if a Calvinist EVER sounded like that. If a rumor of Calvinist REMOTELY sounding this way I would spit my drink out!

I challenge any of them to sound this way.

 

Are you implying that Jesus is not an Armenian or a Calvinist? What should we follow if we are to gain the insight into the gospel?



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On the contrary, by your account God did nothing for you that He did not do for the unsaved. It is you, by your superior wisdom and perceptiveness who has saved yourself by believing. God actually has saved no one; the cross saved no one; it is all down to man.

 

2 Corinthians 5:21. 'If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.' According to your scheme, there is no 'if' about it. Everyone is in Christ; no one has become new, because he was new already! Crackers!

 

It is the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke those words; your argument is with Him. The Apostle Paul says, 'In due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart' (Galatians 6:9). God has people out in the world whom He will save and it is our job to reach them with the Gospel. Praise God for irresistible grace!

I assume, by the way, that you never pray that God will save your non-Christian friends and/or family. According to you, God has nothing to do with saving people; it's entirely up to them.

 

God loves people enough to save them. Praise Him for irresistible grace!

But God answered, "I'm sorry, I can't save them; they have free will and they must believe in Christ all on their own. I can't answer your prayer."

I believe God loves people enough to save them, a vast crowd of them so huge that no one can number it. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died to save them.

Get the salt and pepper ready, and a spittoon for your drink. Then read the biographies of the great Calvinist missionaries, men like William Carey, Adoniram Judson. Read especially the story of John Patton, the missionary to the New Hebrides (Vanuatu). The natives were cannibals, and before he went, an elderly clergyman, no doubt an Arminian, said to him, "Mr Patton, you will surely be eaten by cannibals!" Patton replied, "You sir, are very old, and your prospect is to be eaten by worms. If I can but live and die serving and honouring the Lord Jesus, it will make no difference to me whether I am eaten by worms or cannibals; and in the Great day, my resurrection body will rise as fair as yours in the likeness of our risen Redeemer."

Most of the great missionaries were and are five-point Calvinists, and many of them gave and are giving their lives bringing the Gospel all around the world. You see, the Gospel is not the offer of God unto salvation; it is not even the enabling of God unto salvation. It is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:15), and that is why it is worth giving one's life for, 'for we shall reap in due time if we do not lose heart' (Galatians 6:9). No Arminian can say that with absolute confidence. That confidence enabled Carey to soldier on through nine years in which he saw not a single convert, his wife suffered a mental collapse and two of his children died. Yet he did not give up, and in due time he did reap to the glory of God

 

"Get the salt and pepper ready, and a spittoon for your drink. "

NOPE STILL, NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.

Loving others still alien.

You found a martyr willing to sacrifice everything he had for REWARD. You still don't get it.
Too selfish.

This is an EASY one any real Christian can make declared exactly along lines as Jesus, Stephen and Paul. Don't expect a Nazi to pray for Jews.


"I believe God loves people enough to save them, a vast crowd"

I love more people then Nazi-God. Maybe I can give him tips only an idiot can be God and upset with anything without free will.

Like some idiot who punished some rocks and put them in the corner of the house because it rained that day.


This was a EASY challenge.

PAUL's attitude, Jesus and Stephen's prayer....... we do those everyday.

But are you willing to go to hell in place of some reprobates? Do you make any attempt at seeking their forgiveness like Jesus and Stephen?

Go ask a real Christian those questions, in a heartbeat they will tell you yes to both.

You STILL can't even figure it out to do it here!

Instead you make fun of Jesus' prayer.

 

God has always been motivated by LOVE, KINDESS and MERCY. even to call sin a sin is a mercy.

A GOOD person does things for your sake not a SELFISH REWARD. All the rules, the laws, are done for you.

Instead there are Pharisees who believe only they are chosen and their being chosen is what sets them apart from everyone else.

There are also those who say only believers. Adam and Eve and Satan, Cain, ALL believe in God.

 

"God loves people enough to save them. Praise Him for irresistible grace!"

Wikipedia put it:

"a forcible seizure, a holy rape of the surprised will." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_grace

Irresistible grace = Rape

There is no repent or consent, its just transplant and rape.

God is not a Rapist.

Replacing your wife's brain with a chicken's doesn't mean your wife changed her mind and loves to eat bird seeds.

The real her is murdered and GONE.

 

God's love is certainly selfless. He does not benefit from saving anyone, yet He gave His only begotten Son to do just that. Nor does God show favouritism. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus' (Galatians 3:28). Nor is the love of God the insincere love that you seem to believe. He does not offer salvation to all and then sit back dispassionately to see who turns up saved; no! He saves! And His love is not a general love, but a particular one. 'The LORD appeared of old to me, saying, "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you' (Jeremiah 31:3). Or again, 'I will take you, one from a city and two from a family and bring you to Zion' (Jer. 3:14).

In heaven, the great multitude that no man can number are singing, "salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!" (Revelation 7:10). It is He who saves us, not we who save ourselves.

 

It's always easy to tell when you are losing an argument because the posts get more and more bizarre and insulting. It's the four stages of incompetence again
1. Error.
2. Bluster.
3. Insult.
4. Violence.
Fortunately, you don't know where I live, so you are restricted to the first three.

I praise God that He saved Me, for I know I would never have saved myself.
Yet I rather think that you may be committing blasphemy, for it is with lovingkindness (Heb. hesed) that He brings people into His kingdom (Jeremiah 31:3). And again, 'I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the LORD' (Hosea 2:19). If you think that's rape, why don't you tell God that He's a rapist?

 

I ignore all the bluster and insult and come to the point:

It is you who make fun of our Lord's prayer. It is you who say that it can't be answered because God has placed salvation in the hands of men and women and it's up to them. It is you who never ever pray for the lost to be saved. How can you? Your prayer would be a joke because your pathetic god would have to change people's 'free will' to answer it; therefore according to you he can't do it.
In fact, our Lord's prayer, and Stephen's prayer were prayers to an almighty, sovereign God and they were answered. Indeed, Saul of Tarsus was an answer to Stephen's prayer.

 

'I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgements and do them' (Ezekiel 36:26-27; cf. also Hebrews 8:10-11).

Now you tell me. First of all, whether you know anything about this experientially, and secondly whether it constitutes rape.