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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndThisGospel, Jan 11, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    I follow Jesus, not Calvin, its just that calvinism makes far more biblical sene then your theology does!
     
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    EVERY one of your points are wrong!
    IF it is indeed heresy, then ALL of us here holding to it are lost sinnrs per you, right?
     
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    Okay, I looked into this:

    http://www.greekbible.com/index.php

    Answer: εἰ,c \{i}
    1) if, whether
     
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    Peter stated same thing, when hea sked us to make sure of our election and calling!
    And still like eternally securit as aterm, as that makes me realize that I ca have confidence in my salvation, as all 3 of the trinity imvolved in keeping me saved and secured...
    Free now not to sin, but to serve....
     
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    There's always repentance and forgiveness.....

    E.G., I myself use to a legalistic. I thought I could gain heaven partially by Christ and partially by my law keeping....
     
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    We follow Jesus, not Calvin! And jesus staed that he is able to keep forever those he saves, and hebrews/Jude agreed with Him, why not you?
     
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    Yes, as long as you place your faith in Him. He will not force you to believe. IF He did, to be just and fair, He would have to force everyone to believe....
     
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    Yes, again, as long as you maintain your faith in Him.....
     
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    He eems to be mis matching karl barth and hyper rminian here!
     
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    Jesus stated that upin HIM salvation holds, not us!
     
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    You arel holding to it!
     
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    IF that was a condition to stayingsaved, he would have said it! And the Spirt Himelf sealed us against the day of going to be with the Lord, so you can undo His work?
     
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    Answer: "if, whether"

    So your point doesn't apply to Col 1:22

    So we are "holy & blameless" IN CHRIST (and He is in heaven) "IF" or "whether" we keep our faith in him.

    Please keep in mind that the difference between premeditated apostasy and backsliding are two different things.

    David is a good example of backsliding:

    Preface: For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.

    "Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me." Ps 51:9-12

    King Saul is a good example of premeditated apostasy:

    "The Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul" 1 Sam 16:1)
     
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    can alo mean th if is assumed to be true!
     
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    Saul was guilty of the unpardonable sin:

    "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

    The unpardonable sin is continued resistance of the Spirit of God until you completely harden your heart against God's Spirit....

    If it means anything, I'll give you this: It is hard to be lost and easy to be saved and stay saved if we have the faith of a child.
     
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    Why muddy the water? Why confuse things? Take it as it reads.

    So Calvin was wrong on the "elect"....I'm sure he will be in heaven upon the resurrection. I don't think he meant to present error....We are after all, only human....We don't know it all....
     
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    Calvin and Paul and Jesus agreed on the Elect!
     
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    Six Hour Warning

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    The lost will always resst the Spirit, buthe elect shall come to faith on Christ!
     
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