Featured If God Never decreed/ordained the Fall...

Because the knowledge would exist in God's mind.

If God's knowledge is infallible and complete, it is impossible for any such knowledge to be false. Because the knowledge can't be false, there is no other possibility than for the foreseen events to occur.

 

That is not the biblical usage of Foreknowledge.
God has foreknowledge of the elect as fallen sinners who He fully conforms to the Son at glorification......the events of Providence flow from the decree

 

Permissive will as I understand it is God allowing men to sin. This idea does not account for the Law. Since the Laws were given for man to live by. The Law is God's will and it isn't permissive. The Law is God's restriction on sin. It means He does not allow sin. Sin does not agree with God's will. How men can see this as permissive doesn't make sense to me. It places the blame for sin on God.
Satan fell to the earth bringing sin in to the world by Satans will

God made man a free agent so that He could Love God willingly and Love his fellow man willingly

God does not allow man to come to Him He invites them to come because they want to.

Of course not. But the Jews did not Kill our Lord He laid down His life by His own will. The Jews sinned because of false accusations, lustful desire for Christ ti die, and willing stupidity.

I cannot show you this because it does not exist. I do not believe man is completely controlled by God except in a limited way. Man is a free agent to choose which path to follow.

God's will, will be done. However what specifically do you believe is God's will. Do you believe as the Calvinist do in that every act done by man is preordained by God?. Or do you believe man is a free agent able to choose his own path?
If man is unable to choose his own path then men are not responsible for His sin. Men do not sin because they were appointed to.
MB

 

romans8:29 is clear.
There is no debate as the cross is at the center of all revelation and the redemptive work of God, perfectly accomplished.
There is no speculation to be had here. there is only what is....and we are all moving toward the decreed eternal state.....as lost in Adam going into second death, or alive in Christ going to glorification...
No second chance,no do over, no philosophical loopholes.....just God as all in all.

 

There is no loner free ill to sinnrs though, as now restricted by the boundaries oftheir sn natures, s cannot freely do all things!

 

How so? God created Adam morally perfect, and gae him real free will as act of love?

 

Some here seem to be aiming towards Open Theisitic viewpoint! AmdermissiveWill is God allowing for indirect agents tomae choices/deciions for His purpose, such in death of Christ, but he still remains in comtrol!

 

I could not disagree more. If the freedom to choose which path to follow is gone. Then why were we asked to choose who to follow?. The gods of the Amorites or the God of creation.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Freedom to choose is in scripture even though you do not wish to agree.
MB

 

I hold to single Predestination, just towards theelect, NOT double Predestinations towards the Lost!

 

Sin nature dos not allow for full freedom anymore!

 

We'll just have to disagree on the circular reasoning. I think the problem is inherent in the idea of exhaustive, infallible foreknowledge, so some seemingly circular logic is unavoidable.

But even if you ground the idea of knowing the future in decrees, it's still going to create the same problem. If a certain future is decreed and will certainly occur, then all other possible futures are excluded.

 

Distinction without a difference.

If you have two kids drowning in a pool, and you have everything you need to save both of them but choose to only save one, there's no difference in saying you didn't actively choose to save the other or in saying you actively chose to leave him there. The effect is the same.

 

He gave him a serpent that would tempt him and a tree that would tempt him, and he supposedly did so with perfect foreknowledge of what the outcome would be. That's a set up.

 

Your verse, at the end of Joshua, is in relation to the Mosaic covenant, not in relation to redemption.

Joshua 24:19,20
Then Joshua warned the people, "You are not able to serve the LORD, for he is a holy and jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. If you abandon the LORD and serve other gods, he will turn against you and destroy you, even though he has been so good to you."

Joshua's call for choice has nothing to do with God's grace in redemption. It is foolish for you to invoke Joshua 24:15 as a free will verse because it is not even referencing salvation. Context is everything.