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The coming of the Son of man couldn't have been the transfiguration as it is still yet future in later passages, i.e., Lu 17, Mt 24, Acts 1, etc.

And besides, it's ridiculous for you to imply the Lord would actually be saying, "Some of you will not die within the next six days".

Ain't no way I could rest with that.

Duty calls, have to go.

 

Of course it's future in those verses! It's still in the future today! All I'm saying is that the Transfiguration was/is a much bigger thing than you allow for, and it is what our Lord was alluding to in Matt. 16:28, Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27. In each case, the Transfiguration follows immediately.

I might add that Church history seems to be unanimous that of the Apostles, only John survived as long as AD 70, so perhaps the Lord Jesus should have said, "There is one standing here who will not see death till he sees the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." But then it seems that John was pastoring the church at Ephesus, and nothing places him at Jerusalem, so he wouldn't have seen it anyway.

Not conclusive, but another nail in your preterist coffin, not that one is needed.

 

As a side note (BTW I very much agree with you). Add to that the exuberant support of their political system & you have quite a picadillo of antisocial behavior.

 

1st off, he isn't a full preterist----you are misinformed. But I will allow the man to defend himself.

 

As others have observed, it's ridiculous to argue that "some will not die before..." means an event six days later, or an event that immediately follows the Lord's statement. It's a stretch to argue that the Transfiguration is any sort of coming. And, it's totally unsupported that some people standing there did die (which is implied by saying some people will not die). It's not an argument to say that in the synoptic gospels the Transfiguration account follows immediately, these gospels are both very similar and chronological.

Jesus traveled with a much larger group than just the Twelve. The others, especially the women, were at much less risk of a premature death.

That's self-deception. Preterism is alive and healthy. Jesus' comment about some standing there will not taste death before his coming is another nail in the Dispensational coffin.

 

How would suppting them as God does be war mongering?

 

Don't think Brother Martin holds to Dispy though, as he holds to Covenant theology!

 

many see Jhn as writting Revlation 20-25 years after AD 70, and you would think that he would have alluded to that event, but did not!

What good, wha hope, does Pretierism give to Christians really?

 

I don't think I said he was. If I did, I didn't mean to.

 

Hello B.B. Would you care to compare Matthew 16:28 with 2 Peter 1:16-18? I think you will find that they fit together very well. I do not claim that anybody died at the Transfiguration. Only Peter, James and John were present, so the other apostles and disciples died (eventually) without seeing Christ's 'power and coming.'

My comment about coffins was only to wind Kyredneck up a little. Insults concerning Dispensationalists do not affect me since I am not one. I will say though that Dispensationalists are my brothers in Christ as is anyone who is looking forward to His return in glory. KY's aggression towards them is IMO not acceptable.

 

4. The claim that either the kingdom of God or the new covenant began in AD 70 is incorrect.
The KoG began with the start of the Lord Jesus' ministry (Matthew 4:17; Mark 1:15). From that time the kingdom has been advancing with people forcing their way into it (Matthew 11:12). "If I by the Spirit of God cast out demons, surely the kingdom of God has come [aorist, past tense] upon you" (Matthew 12:28).
But of course, in another sense the KoG is not here yet. Whilst on the one hand we are 'seated in the heavenly places' (Ephesians 2:6), on the other we are still working out our salvation in fear and trembling. The Kingdom will not finally come until Christ returns at the end of the age ('Inaugurated Theology').

The New Covenant in Christ's blood started with His death and resurrection. Before AD 70 we are told that God had made the old covenant 'obsolete' (Hebrews 8:13); already, 'neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything.....' (Galatians 5:6; 6:15 etc.). AD 70 may have given the coup de grace to the Old Covenant, but it did not inaugurate the new.

 

How does God support them? We, the USA, supports them. Period. We give them 3.1 billion dollars a year, 8.5 million dollars a day, and that's MONEY WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S BORROWED! WE'RE 20 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT! And we've given them an additional 38 billion dollars in defense funds in 2016, again, money we don't have, it's insane, and all that's just fine with you dispy ignoramuses because "If we don't do it God will curse us". It's insane. Start a thread on this topic over on the Politics Forum, because that's where it belongs. Dispensationalism is no longer a system of theology, it's a theo-political system and Zionism is it's religion. Israel....Israel....Israel...Israel...all about Israel, and anyone who doesn't agree is anti-Semitic.

Blindly supporting the dispossession of property and oppression of an entire people.is inseparable from WAR.

(and I know you're peeking JoJ)

 

Dementia is clearly catching up with me. I meant to write 'Inaugurated Eschatology.'

 

you know they laugh at us don't you....stupid goy, we are more intelligent than you, we take your money and provide our kids with almost free educations while yours go into dept. You are becoming a third world country while we advance to the top. We view the Palestinians like you viewed your American Indians, to be subjugated and eventually eliminated. And how do I know this, I worked for them and this is how they presented themselves.

 

I want to apologize to everyone for my bad manners lately. I will improve my behavior. I want to engage with Martin some more and then I'm going to take a break.

 

God still will be giving them their land, as its His to give! jerusalem should be captital of israel as God intended!

 

the Kingdom will be established here in full when King arrives!
As fully realised eschatology would mean that we should now be in eternal state, correct?

 

Yeah, I actually peeked this time, and you are still just as uniformed as ever. I just taught a two week block on Dispensational Theology, and said almost none of this. You are setting up straw men (plural) where dispensational theology is concerned. There may be individuals on a popular level that are Zionists and all the rest of your accusations, but it is not a part of the theology--none of it was in my textbook by Ryrie except for Israel and the church being separate. I do not support theologically America sending all of that money to Israel, and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians (and certainly not the daily rockets from the Palestinians which a missionary friend tells me are being launched). If you are familiar with the history of modern Israel, I also oppose the Irgun terrorism that was part of the founding of the modern nation.

Israel is back in the land right now in a state of unbelief, meaning modern Israel is not the fulfillment of most of the prophecies. But yes, Israel and the church are separate in dispensationalism, as well as in historic premil and any other system that interprets the Bible literally.

And now I'll put you back on ignore where you belong because of your lousy and insulting attitude (not your theology). No hard feelings.

 

Yes, but it's all about keeping a proper balance.
An over-inaugurated eschatology would mean that one thinks more about Ephesians 2:6 than about Philippians 2:12 and would tend to antinomianism . An under-inaugurated eschatology would have us either sitting on a cliff-top waiting for Christ to come ( 2 Thessalonians 3:11) or trying to earn our salvation by works.

There was a theologian whose name escapes me who likened the situation of the Christian in the world to that of the allies in WW 2 after D-Day. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the allies were going to win; there were huge amounts of men and material going over to France, the German war machine was being bombed to blazes and the Russians were attacking on the Eastern front. On the other hand there were still terrible battles like Arnhem and the Bulge to be fought. So it is with us; we have read to the end of the book and we know who wins, but there are yet trials and grief that will face us before Christ comes again in victory. A proper inaugurated eschatology will have us confident and rejoicing, but also sober and wary.