Featured Believers must endure in the faith to the end of life to be saved

You guys are pulling my leg right?

You think God abandoned Jesus? that's so cute. LOL

God never abandoned Jesus Christ on the Cross. That's classic Noob mistake.

Jesus Christ is quoting psalms 22. Those killing him would picked up right away what he is talking about. It even prophetically depicts his being crucified.

I think Jesus enjoys the bible nice enough to know what psalms 22 is.


Psalms 22
1My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.
2O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but I have no rest.
3Yet You are holy,
O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
4In You our fathers trusted;
They trusted and You delivered them.
5To You they cried out and were delivered;
In You they trusted and were not disappointed.
6But I am a worm and not a man,
A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7All who see me sneer at me;
They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8“Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him;
Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”
9Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
10Upon You I was cast from birth;
You have been my God from my mother’s womb.
11Be not far from me, for trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12Many bulls have surrounded me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
13They open wide their mouth at me,
As a ravening and a roaring lion.
14I am poured out like water,
And all my bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It is melted within me.
15My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;
And You lay me in the dust of death.
16For dogs have surrounded me;
A band of evildoers has encompassed me;
They pierced my hands and my feet.
17I can count all my bones.
They look, they stare at me;
18They divide my garments among them,
And for my clothing they cast lots.
19But You, O LORD, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20Deliver my soul from the sword,
My only life from the power of the dog.
21Save me from the lion’s mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.
22I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23You who fear the LORD, praise Him;
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel.
24For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
25From You comes my praise in the great assembly;
I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
26The afflicted will eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the LORD.
Let your heart live forever!
27All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations.
29All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.
30Posterity will serve Him;
It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
31They will come and will declare His righteousness
To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.


Had God The Father abandoned Jesus, you also have a new dilemma, The trinity is not "ETERNAL" God the father and Jesus are separated.

 

In His deity, but not in his humanity!

 

God turned away from Jesus, broke fellowship with him those 3 hours!

 

Show us this in scripture. God turned away from Jesus.

I have renewed hope now, because that has got to be the most retarded doctrine I have heard.

 

Psalm 22:1.

 

1 Peter 4:13. 'But rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy.'
Not a day passes but I rejoice and praise God that Christ was abandoned on the cross for those hours. Because He was forsaken, it means that I never will be. But the extent to which we partake in Christ's sufferings in laid out in the following verses-- reproach and suffering.

Amen to the last bit.
I wonder if you have ever meditated on the contrast between these verses:

Luke 5:20, 24. "Man your sins are forgiven you........but that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins........"

Luke 23:34. "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

 

OK. Psalm 22:1-2. Is that better?
The context is Jesus hanging on the cross, utterly bereft of any support, fellowship or contact with the Father. In that condition He prays to the Father, and eventually His prayer is answered.
There is a lesson for us all in that. Isaiah 50:10-11.

 

It describes the feeling the words of his SUFFERING or groaning, but that doesn't say God has forsaken Jesus.

1My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.


Everyone of us can have pretty bad day to where our suffering might even complain, become upset, even be afraid. But Just because you feel those things that doesn't mean God has abandoned you.



We gotta split the hair correctly here. I believe Jesus descended into hell, died. rose 3rd day.

21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.


Same time however:

19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

God was in Christ.


Or think of the hypostatic union. There has never been a time Jesus has never been FULLY GOD, The entire Trinity.

 

IF a man makes a VOW from the thought in his heart, (his spirit) to be faithful to God....
Such man IS giving God the authority to KEEP that mans life in faithfulness unto God...
And by Gods Power, he does exactly that with His seal.

Num.30

1. [2] If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Deut 23

[21] When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.

Falling from faith, is not the same thing as becoming "un-saved".

A man can fall from the faith. A man can not become "un-saved", AS IF, God saves a soul, and then must wait and wonder IF the man will remain faithful. God knows all things.

Faith IS believing, following, adhering, becoming enlightened to knowing About God.
Saving IS about a believing man SUBMITTING by VOW unto the Lord.

A man who is SAVED shall not lose his Salvation.

A man who believes in God, but that has not received Salvation, ie a Jew. He must endure to the end, via observing their Religious Laws, feasts, rituals, etc.

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Psalms 22

24For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.


This is the verse that really settles it. Its clear with past tense he has not despised abhorred or hidden his face from him.

Jesus was not forsaken by God.

 

According to Calvinism no one understands foolishness of anything but God alone. Your having to ask makes for twice the foolishness. If you actually believed your own stance you wouldn't need to have ask that question.



Under your own rules you must be forced into everything by a Forceful Irresistible Grace.

You begin Totally Depraved, all are totally depraved even elect.

10as it is written,
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
11THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;



God made his command and desire of you known at the initial command, that's why when you rejected him that SIN is a SIN.

You don't decide, God already requested, SINCERELY DESIRED OF YOU and you already deny him.


So God decides ok I'm going to REGENERATE him.

Again not your choice, GOD FORCES you, you are mind wiped. He replaces a your sin processor, etc.

God is required to spiritually manipulate where you would otherwise refuse.

He has to stick his divine hand up your spiritual back and work you like a puppet.

 

Did Jesus force sight on the blind when he chose to heal them? Did the blind choose to go back to blindness once they could see?