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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Mar 8, 2017.

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  1. MennoSota

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    Is Jesus God?
     
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    Jesus is God.

    Does Jesus love me?
     
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    Does God love rebels who are not pardoned by Jesus atoning sacrifice?

    Are you pardoned by the atonement of Jesus sacrifice?

    Or are you pardoned by your own efforts to make yourself right with God?

    You can answer your own question.
     
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    Does Jesus Love me? If you don't know.....say that then.
     
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    I just explained it. If you can't understand what I explained then the answer is no. If you can understand what I said then the answer is yes. What say you?
     
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    I love this because you make Calvinism look stupid.:D

    You don't explain nothing. I want you to show scripture where it says Jesus does not love anyone.
     
    #106 utilyan, Mar 15, 2017
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    You are avoiding the issue and trying to slip out from the obvious by declining to declare your belief.
    You prove John 3:18.
    John 3
    [18]“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.

    Thanks for playing the game. Your avoidance tells me all I need to know.
     
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    Jesus was the sin Bearer, and so God forsoke Him for those 3 hours while upon the Cross, but he stayed fully God, and when that was over, was back tofull fellowship with His Father!
     
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    John 13

    34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

    Its how we know your not a disciple.^

    You preach Jesus doesn't love anyone, doesn't love neighbor, doesn't love enemy.

    Your not even Christian, A muslim's fart is more Christian then your doctrine.
     
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    Yes, brilliant ... just about what I expected.
    At least these 4 words are understandable.
     
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    Perhoops, you need to see the statements that speak of the following:
    LOSING eternal life
    GAINING eternal death
    falling away from the faith
    drawing back to perdition
    falling from grace, etc.

    Perhaps, these would be exciting for you to read?
    FYI, they are found in the NT.
     
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    Romans 6:16 is a wonderful passage. Churches should display it on the wall....just before verses 17-18:

    But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

    How does the saying go? "I can explain to you, but I cannot understand it for you". People have been telling you one thing, thread after thread. Yet each time you just bring up the same misunderstandings. If I explain again, Mr. Quixote, I think that the explanation would still remain just beyond your grasp. Not that you can't understand, but that you won't give up your presuppositions in order to consider a more biblical approach.

    In fact, I'm sure now you are reading Romans 6:16 and thinking "how can I twist this to my understanding so that I don't have to change my signature?". And I'm sure if you try hard enough, you'll find a way. Just know that many who read Romans 6:16 in your signature are literate enough to consider the whole passage.
     
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    Yes, isn't it wonderful what these believers have become? Wonderfully incredible!
    I guess that's why Paul warned them to choose whose slave they will be!
    He's warning them to not continue being slaves of sin!
    Gee why? ... Because it leads to eternal death.

    Do not be side-tracked with his ever-present exhortations and encouragements.
    Try focusing on the warnings!

    FYI, in 6:16,21,23 ... he was warning them to NOT continue to be slaves of sin!
    In 6:19, he warned them to present their members to righteousness
    ... because they had not done so ... they were living in unrighteousness!

    I've said before ... you people just do not comprehend Paul's method of tactful writing.
    Praise God ... Paul was not a dumbed-down (through their educational system) American.
     
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    Did the blood of Jesus atone/pay for ALL of my sins or not?
     
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    It surely does, IF you co-operate with God, and hold up your end of the New Covenant.
    YOU have a responsibility to fulfil YOUR part of the New Covenant agreement.
    Be patient ... more is forthcoming in the Wilkerson book review.
     
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    The ONLY obligation for me to do is to believe on His name, and I will be saved!
     
    #116 Yeshua1, Mar 15, 2017
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    Yep....almost as crazy as warning the church and then saying "but we are convinced of better things of you, things that accompany salvation." Those silly Apostles. Maybe someone should have educated them about how temporary salvation really is, that those things don't really accompany salvation but salvation depends on them.
     
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    What a puny god he understands, as in his way of thinking, he waits upon us to allow Him to save us, and then he cannot even be sure that we will be able to keep ourselves saved?
     
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    Great verse. Perfect example of Jesus loving the elect. Thank you. You prove my point.
     
    #119 MennoSota, Mar 15, 2017
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    Without even realizijng it!
     
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