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Regeneration vs Conversion

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by pinoybaptist, Apr 6, 2017.

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  1. MennoSota

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    It's interesting how you blame God for man's rebellion and then think He should overlook sin. Your God is not holy, but is made in YOUR own image, Benoni. That is a pity.
     
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    Read Romans 9. Who are you, oh Benoni, to talk back to God when He does as He wills?
     
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    Yeah but your righteousness depends on it. If you can't Identify God, IE hit the broadside of a barn, then you can't the requirements of God's righteousness.


    Look real close what you SAY:

    No, those verses break my heart. Were I in charge nobody would end up in the Lake of Fire. But I am not in charge. God is. And even if I don't understand it now, someday I will, and will acknowledge that God's way is infinitely superior to my way.

    So you sin now on the spot? Wanting what God doesn't want?

    That pity and mercy that comes from our heart for those lost...... Is that God given GOOD or Satan given evil?

    God cannot give those one inch of pity or mercy else it breaks the God loves all vs God loves only elect. Is he breaking his own rule through you? or is that Satan who loves and cares for reprobates?



    And then finally. Your not in charge + I'm son of God and anything I ask he'll do it for me.

    So it does give you great joy for folks to end up in lake of fire right?

    If you are elect, you can at least FAKE IT by request and authority of a son of God.


    Or look I am elect......... I am so happy all those reprobates are going to end up in lake a fire just like God wants. Is that a Jesus like merciful heart?
     
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    Funny how Martin is gone and Benoni starts posting...
     
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    Click on his screen name in his post. A black box will appear. On the far right is the word "ignore." Click on it. :)
     
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    He does overlook sin if sin alone was a thing. Just like you would overlook "bleeding" if no one is bleeding.

    You think God is idiot who is disturbed of the bleeding for the bleeding's sake. You get a cut and you have a fool who is offended of the cut. He wants you to stop bleeding, so he sets you on fire.......well that stopped the bleeding.


    Nothing can hurt God. Not even mentally. The situation is all the laws in place are for your benefit.

    John 8

    1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. 3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5“Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”]

    Look closely above, do you see where the woman said she was sorry? Do you see Jesus overlook sin? where is the justice?

    She was caught in the act, she sinned.
    He doesn't condemn her, He still tells her sin no more.

    And God thought it necessary for us to see this in scripture, for what reason? So that we would condemn men for sake of their offense in rebellion?

    God is motivated in helping the sinner change their ways if he was merely motivated on legalism this encounter would have went differently.


    Finally you cannot be in rebellion with God unless you were with him in the first place.

    If our country went to war with another country that has never been part of us we don't call that rebellion. For a rebellion to happen it has to be from folks who were legally in the same country.

    Also there are implications of God's wants and desire if someone is disobedient to his command.


    The LAW is to LOVE GOD.

    If God HATED a person then he would never desire of them supreme kindness and luxury of loving God.

    In other words you can't command anyone to love God unless you love them.
     
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    No. Not at all. God shows us in His Word how The Spirit of Truth Works if anything is blasphemy its you who reject these principles. Let peace rule is a scriptural and spiritual guide on hearing the spirit not hearing the letter that killeth from the seminary you are so proud of. All religions have seminary's be it Rome or baptist but there is only one Spirit of truth with in you. According to the Word of God you claim to believe in the Holy Spirit is the only way where we can be let and guided into all truth.
     
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    Satan already fell. he was a liar from His beginning.
     
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    What a sad belief.
     
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    Why you attacking me? Try attacking the message if I am so wrong.
     
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    No I do not blame God I just posted a verse where God took the blame. So God's Word is made in my image???? God does not ovelook sin but at the same time He sure is not this monster that tortures trillions of people without mercy. Thats your god.
     
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    Where do you get this stuff. You must have one hugh imagination.
     
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    You twist God's word and call His holy and righteous judgment an act of a "monster" if He dares to bring His law down upon rebels who have broken His laws.
    Your God has no justice and is subservient to your demands. That is not the God of the Bible. That is your twisted vision of your made-up god.
     
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    LOL, you spent a number of posts telling people how carnal they are and then you ask why I respond to your prideful claims. That's precious.
     
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    All you do is personal attacks. If I am so wrong than show me using God's Word. You say my God has no justice but you're God is the eternal torture business. Is that what you call justice???? if what I say is twisted use God's Word to prove it instead of all this opinion based on you're frustration.
     
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    To you, who denies the Bible and God's Sovereignty, I am sure it sounds sad. You clearly want a weak God who is subservient to your will.
     
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    I cannot help it you are so carnal and reject the Spiritual Word of God. The letter killeth. You are killing God's Word with you're doom and gloom and then you dare call it good news.
     
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    What is weak about a God who wins. Your god looses trillions in hell and you're god is helpless to do a thing.
     
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    I do not deny the Bible. i am the one quoting scripture.
     
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    The wages of sin is death.
    There is none righteous, not even one.
    For by grace you are saved, not of yourself, it is the gift of God.

    Moroni, you are preaching a false gospel. Everyone on this board sees it. Go enjoy your compound.
     
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