Featured God Does Not Will Any To Be Lost, Some Men Do!

Whoosh!!! That's context flying past you. Whoosh!!!

Who is Peter's target audience in 2 Peter? Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.[2 Peter 1:1-2]

His divine power has given us everything...[vs 3]

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises....[vs 4]

For we did not follow cleverly devised stories...[vs 16]

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture...[vs 20]

......just as there will be false teachers among you.[2 Peter 2:1]

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories....[vs 3]

Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you....[2 Peter 3:1]

I want you to recall the words spoken....[vs 2]

Above all, you must understand that in the last days.....[vs 3]

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends:...[vs 8]

...Instead he is patient with you...[vs 9]


Those God is patient with here are the believers. As you can see, the whole book of 2 Peter is addressed to believers. He is not willing that they, the elect of God, should perish.

 

Now, who are these 'some men' who will some ppl to be lost? Show us who they are. I have a feeling you flat out LIED here with that outlandish claim.

 

I asked a question about how you OP title was worded...


God Does Not Will Any To Be Lost, Some Men Do! Now, are you saying that some Calvinists want ppl to be lost, or that those who died lost will themselves lost? I ask for some clarity. Thanks.

 

Look the elect of God were not born saved. They were All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.[/Ephesians 2:3] They had to hear the gospel of the Christ in order to be saved. Remember, Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.[Romans 10:17]

That is why Jesus had to come and die for them. They were given to the Son via the Father to redeem from the others, who were just as depraved as they were. We were in the same boat, when we were sinners, as those who were not elected from before the creation of the world.

 

Those who reject Jesus are condemned already.[John 3:18]

 

There is no 'if' about this, unless you reject Ephesians 1:4...

Nope, the bible teaches that, we just follow what the bible ACTUALLY teaches.

Bingo! And you take umbrage to this? Srsly?

Wrong. God saw us all dead in Adam. None were more dead than others, but all on equal ground. None deserving anything from Him but eternal punishment. However, in God's electing love, He chose a MULTITUDE of hell-deserving ppl, who had nothing meritorious within themselves, and gave them to His Son to redeem from those others He justly left in their sins.

Exactly!! Why are you taking umbrage with God saving undeserving ppl from their sins??

Right!!

You are not picking up what the bible has laid down. Everybody who has ever lived was born dead in transgressions and sins, dead in Adam. EVERYBODY, including you and I. God sent His Son as the elect's Redeemer. Now that redemption via the cross has been made, God's wrath being appeased, He is now drawing those who the Son died for to Himself.

It is nonsense to those who oppose the sovereignity of God. We rest in God's electing love.

 

Ha! We don't desire any to be lost, but we are not forcing God to save those who He never intended to save to begin with.

 

Give us some names of ppl on here who have said they want ppl to die lost. Give us a quote from a Calvinist theologian that said they wanted ppl to die lost. Give us an actual name(s) and quote(s). If you can't, and I am most certain you can't, then you need to repent and apologize to us for lying about us.

 

Brother Andy,

I know 2 Peter 3:9 says what it says it says. But down through the annals of time, a multitude of ppl have died and perished. So, that shows me that if God is not willing that any of all creation does not perish, yet a multitude has already, then I know there is more to that verse that what meets the eye.

Let's look at Leviticus 16:21-22....

He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.

Ppl want to use this little passage for universal redemption, but there's one problem. This was to be done solely for Israel. The Midianites, Assyrians, Philestines, Jebusites, Edomites, Babylonians, et al were not included in this. I can rind no record of God giving the institution of a blood sacrifice to any of these ppl. And as Hebrews 9:22 so poignantly states it...In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

For the longest time I thought that God was sovereign. (Yet I didn't, because I was of the belief that it was my choice alone to come to God.) I now realise that this basically makes God into someone who will bend to my will. If I can make God bend to my will does that then mean that I can thwart Gods plan? Do I make decisions and the God reacts to my will to implement his plan? This is a really dangerous line.....

It's all a matter of perspective. We all have the ability to choose freely ( from our perspective ). From Gods perspective he knows all that was, is and will be. He determines every single thing that happens in this world. He is sovereign even in life and death (job 1:21). Yet we still have a choice and a will, God knowing and predestining everything does not mean your will is any less free today than it was yesterday.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk