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The drawing of God.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 15, 2017.

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  1. Squire Robertsson

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    I can see it plain as day--people do seek God. Look at the millions of unsaved people that go to churches every Sunday and venerate the name of Jesus. Did that happen in OT days? There's something wrong with your heurmaneutic.



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    Shame on me? Really?

    Anyway, the Bible never says stuff like "dead people can't repent" which was stated just upstream.

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    And you know they are seeking God how? May they not be seeking prosperity? Health? Wealth? Business contacts? Building a resume for running for political office?

    Let's see. God says "there is none that seek after God."

    ITL says, "there are some who seek after God."

    Who to believe. Let's see. Oh! Yes. Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar. :)
     
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    Deflection. He never said nor implied there were saved people in apostate churches which do not preach Christ and Him crucified.

    But I don't blame you for ducking and dodging. It is expected when you are proven to be wrong. :(
     
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    Name one thing anyone can do at all evil or good without God to create them in the first place.

    There is no EVIL GOD or holy evil. Everything requires God.

    [27]“His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him—though he is not far from any one of us.

    Now tell me what does "he is not far from any one of us." means.

    Now I am not giving you any meaning to that line, I'm waiting for you to spit it out.
     
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    Paul never made a total depravity doctrine in romans 3. All he did is quote psalms. There are psalms that say mankind is Good, using same logic it would apply to all mankind.

    If there were new doctrine they would have had to gather as how they did with Peter who received vision directly from God.

    Paul just gives reminder to Jews they have failed plenty of times.


    No one reading the bible on their own would ever arrive to your position. Someone feeds you a philosophy to read in the text.
     
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    You fight against the bit.

    Since God is omnipresent it means that God is everywhere present.

    You really struggle with God directing your path.
     
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    I went to church MANY times just to make my mommy(God rest her soul) happy and get her off my back. But I truly wanted to go somewhere/anywhere else.

    Others go looking for a date. Others go knowing they can bum that church out of their $. I have witnessed this more times than I want to think about.
     
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