The drawing of God.

[Squire Robertsson]

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[InTheLight]

So, ITL says that ppl in the OT didn't seek God? So I guess we did, seeing we aren't under the OT?

I can see it plain as day--people do seek God. Look at the millions of unsaved people that go to churches every Sunday and venerate the name of Jesus. Did that happen in OT days? There's something wrong with your heurmaneutic.



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[InTheLight]

Why do you do this? He never said, nor implied, any such thing. And to twist and spin what he said into that untruth is highly dishonest. Shame on you! [emoji20]

Shame on me? Really?

Anyway, the Bible never says stuff like "dead people can't repent" which was stated just upstream.

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[TCassidy]

I can see it plain as day--people do seek God. Look at the millions of unsaved people that go to churches every Sunday and venerate the name of Jesus.

And you know they are seeking God how? May they not be seeking prosperity? Health? Wealth? Business contacts? Building a resume for running for political office?

Let's see. God says "there is none that seek after God."

ITL says, "there are some who seek after God."

Who to believe. Let's see. Oh! Yes. Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.

 

[TCassidy]

Anyway, the Bible never says stuff like "dead people can't repent" which was stated just upstream.

Deflection. He never said nor implied there were saved people in apostate churches which do not preach Christ and Him crucified.

But I don't blame you for ducking and dodging. It is expected when you are proven to be wrong.

 

[utilyan]

Read the passage and note that Paul is presenting the Sovereignty of God.
God purposes.
Any seeking that is done happens by the purpose of God.

Acts of the Apostles 17:24-31
[24]“He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples,
[25]and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.
[26]From one man he created all the nations throughout the whole earth. He decided beforehand when they should rise and fall, and he determined their boundaries.
[27]“His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him—though he is not far from any one of us.
[28]For in him we live and move and exist. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
[29]And since this is true, we shouldn’t think of God as an idol designed by craftsmen from gold or silver or stone.
[30]“God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.
[31]For he has set a day for judging the world with justice by the man he has appointed, and he proved to everyone who this is by raising him from the dead.”

Name one thing anyone can do at all evil or good without God to create them in the first place.

There is no EVIL GOD or holy evil. Everything requires God.

[27]“His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him—though he is not far from any one of us.

Now tell me what does "he is not far from any one of us." means.

Now I am not giving you any meaning to that line, I'm waiting for you to spit it out.

 

[utilyan]

And also quoted in the NT as current truth. Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.


Why do you do this? He never said, nor implied, any such thing. And to twist and spin what he said into that untruth is highly dishonest. Shame on you!

Paul never made a total depravity doctrine in romans 3. All he did is quote psalms. There are psalms that say mankind is Good, using same logic it would apply to all mankind.

If there were new doctrine they would have had to gather as how they did with Peter who received vision directly from God.

Paul just gives reminder to Jews they have failed plenty of times.


No one reading the bible on their own would ever arrive to your position. Someone feeds you a philosophy to read in the text.

 

[MennoSota]

Name one thing anyone can do at all evil or good without God to create them in the first place.

There is no EVIL GOD or holy evil. Everything requires God.

[27]“His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him—though he is not far from any one of us.

Now tell me what does "he is not far from any one of us." means.

Now I am not giving you any meaning to that line, I'm waiting for you to spit it out.

You fight against the bit.

Since God is omnipresent it means that God is everywhere present.

You really struggle with God directing your path.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Deflection. He never said nor implied there were saved people in apostate churches which do not preach Christ and Him crucified.

But I don't blame you for ducking and dodging. It is expected when you are proven to be wrong.

I went to church MANY times just to make my mommy(God rest her soul) happy and get her off my back. But I truly wanted to go somewhere/anywhere else.

Others go looking for a date. Others go knowing they can bum that church out of their $. I have witnessed this more times than I want to think about.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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