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I want to see an Arminian Exegete this passage

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Calv1, Aug 12, 2017.

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  1. evangelist6589

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    I know that. But what type?
     
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    There is no such thing as a type of Christian.
     
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    Yes there is.

    Calvinist and Arminian are types.
     
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    I guess the type that follows Christ.
     
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    Both Cal and Armin follow Christ.
     
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    No, those are categories. Same type of Christian, different understanding. And not camps people join (like a team).

    Many, if not most, Christians fail to fall squarely into any of those camps. What we do is look to these men and examine their doctrine against Scripture - eat the meat, spit out the bones.

    I am a Christian and a Baptist. I suppose @Revmitchell falls into the same category, even though we disagree about some things (there are a few places where he doesn't realize, yet, that I'm right :Biggrin).
     
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    Yes, they do. And so do Anabaptists (e.g., Mennonites) and Lutherans.
     
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    Uh no I am not defined by calvinist systematic theology. I am not any of those. I might want to try reading the Bible for your self, rather than read books and view everything through systematic calvinist theology. Only calvinists divide people up into those groups. That is called division, it is division based on men (i.e. john calvin; arminius etc.) pauls preacehed against this. It is ungodly.
     
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    Lutherans? You mean the progressive type that ordains gays, does not believe the Bible to be fully inspired and holds other false doctrines?
     
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    I am a Christian and Baptist as well.
     
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    Christian with a weak, wimpy view of God.
     
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    Bahai Christian?
     
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    No. I mean Christians who believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. God did not save denominations or theological camps. He saved people.
     
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    I suppose a Christian is only as good as the sufficiency of his Christ. Do you believe Christ sufficient? ;)
     
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    Then I agree. But such churches are usually loaded with false converts and a reason why I have mailed 2 Lutheran Churches in my area tracts, and why Washer would love to preach in these churches to see people saved.
     
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    I believe God is Sovereign and that Yeshua's atonement for His chosen children is fully sufficient for His chosen children.
    I believe that many children are afraid that their Redeemer is weak and needs their help.
     
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    Who says Calvinistic churches are not also loaded with false converts, people who put their faith in the knowledge they have about Christ without truly knowing Him?

    We can't make that determination, except by virtue of their fruit and then only insofar as it is our responsibility. Are you Lutheran? No. So what business is it of yours? Reach the lost (people), leave the denominational differences alone.
     
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    I have not encountered one (even among Arminian's), but I'll take your word for it that there are some out there. I've known @Revmitchell for over a decade in terms on an online forum, and I can say that even though we disagree on some issues (this one, for example) he does not believe that the Redeemer needs his help. When we read Wesley's commentary on Romans 11 we can see he certainly didn't believe so. And neither did Arminius (who died a Calvinist....doesn't matter here but I just like saying that now and then...:D)
     
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    So you are saying that churches that ordain gay people, are progressive, and do not hold to the essentials of the faith, and you think that a born again Christian will want to attend there? A born again Christian will want to be in a healthy well balanced church and when he sees false doctrine he will flee.
     
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    Anyone who imagines that God needed them to faithfully choose Him has a weak image of God.
     
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