I want to see an Arminian Exegete this passage

[JonC]

KUDOS!... My Brother... Brother Glen

I learned from the best, Sensei.

 

[JonC]

I hate to drop the "W" bomb, but I'm going to see Roger Waters this evening so I'm signing off until tomorrow. I know this is a disappointment (both my absence here and my presence there). Such is life. It disappoints sometimes. But I've found with a little effort we get over it.

Hasta mañana. Or, to those inside the wall, until tomorrow.

 

[TCassidy]

But it was written about people who lived, when, 3,000 years ago?

Romans 3 was written 3000 years ago?

 

[TCassidy]

I know that I am saved because I know my Redeemer.

Okay. How do you "know" Him?

Evidence of my salvation is written throughout my life.

Which is?

But if there comes a time when I am not "walking in the Light", then I certainly have no assurance of my salvation.

Then you no longer "know" Him?

What I am saying is that a Christian can discern evidence of his salvation.

Which is?

A Christian who is "backslidden" or who is not bearing fruit has no assurance of his salvation.

Why not? Does he no longer know he "knows" Christ?

That person cannot look back to a time when he believed and say "See! I believed back then so I'm good".

Why not? Does he forget that he believes?

Scripture gives ONE assurance and that is Christ (not a memory of a time you committed yourself to Christ, but the activity of God in your life).

Yes. But how does one lose that?

It is a belief that in Jesus Christ, but it is not a benign belief (it is a belief that effects salvation).

And how do you know you believe?

Where, brother, do you disagree?

I don't think it is a case of disagreement. It, to me, is a case of trying to understand what you are saying. You haven't said anything specific. Just what appears to me to be a bunch of generalities.

 

[InTheLight]

Romans 3 was written 3000 years ago?

C'mon Tom. I know you know better. Romans 3:11 is quoting Psalm 14:2.

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[TCassidy]

Yeah, we all know that. But Paul is not addressing people 1000 years dead. He was addressing people alive at the time of his writing. Psalm 14:2 did not cease to be true when the people of that day died. It was still true in Paul's day. And it is still true today. God's word does not expire. It is as contemporary as tomorrows headlines.

 

[tyndale1946]

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Dojo!... Jon a san... The honorable Brother Glen

Sayonara... See you Tamarra

 

[InTheLight]

Yeah, we all know that. But Paul is not addressing people 1000 years dead. He was addressing people alive at the time of his writing. Psalm 14:2 did not cease to be true when the people of that day died. It was still true in Paul's day. And it is still true today. God's word does not expire. It is as contemporary as tomorrows headlines.

Paul was addressing the Romans by quoting the psalmist. How many Christian churches had been established at that time? How many people even had an opportunity to seek the resurrected Jesus?

God's word does not expire, but its application can change. Old Testament rules are an example.

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[SovereignGrace]

Of course I believe it! But it was written about people who lived, when, 3,000 years ago? And were polytheistic pagans.

Written before Christ's ministry and before the establishment of the church. It's a scripture written to a different audience.

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This is just plain awful exegesis. If this is true, we don't have the 10 commands to go by, seeing they were written to the Jews. The bill of divorce was given to the Jews, too. So, by your application of scripture, we don't have to divorce our spouses, because that decree was given to Israel.

Paul stated under the inspiration of the Spirit, in NT days, there are NONE who seek God. Why not believe this and accept it?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Paul was addressing the Romans by quoting the psalmist. How many Christian churches had been established at that time? How many people even had an opportunity to seek the resurrected Jesus?

God's word does not expire, but its application can change. Old Testament rules are an example.

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Okay...so now divorce is not applicable to us, because it was given to the Jews and its application has changed.

You are awful at handling God's word. Its sad to behold.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yeah, we all know that. But Paul is not addressing people 1000 years dead. He was addressing people alive at the time of his writing. Psalm 14:2 did not cease to be true when the people of that day died. It was still true in Paul's day. And it is still true today. God's word does not expire. It is as contemporary as tomorrows headlines.

I preached a sermon this last Tuesday night from Deuteronomy 6:1-12. I told them that Moses was giving the Jews a history lesson about how when the obeyed God, things went well. When they didn't, things went south in a hurry. That teaching is just as applicable today as it was then.

But remember, it was ITL who once started a thread about Peter preaching one message to the Jews, and Paul preaching a different message to the Gentiles. Why? Because they were different audiences, per him. That's just awful exegesis, hermeneutics, and eisegesis running wild.

He has an a la carte' theology, where he goes through the bible and picks and chooses what is acceptable and the rest he tosses to the wayside.

 

[InTheLight]

Okay...so now divorce is not applicable to us, because it was given to the Jews and its application has changed.

You are awful at handling God's word. Its sad to behold.

You are excellent at putting words into other people's mouths. I said nothing about divorce or the 10 commandments.

The reality is that verse in Psalms was written 3,000 years ago in an entirely different pre-Christian world to an entirely different audience.

Another reality is that people nowadays DO seek God. Just look at all the people that attend churches.

Your theology does not fit reality. You have a problem.

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[InTheLight]

But remember, it was ITL who once started a thread about Peter preaching one message to the Jews, and Paul preaching a different message to the Gentiles. Why? Because they were different audiences, per him. That's just awful exegesis, hermeneutics, and eisegesis running wild.

Yes, I threw the subject matter out there for discussion. I was not a proponent of the idea.

He has an a la carte' theology, where he goes through the bible and picks and chooses what is acceptable and the rest he tosses to the wayside.

Mirror, mirror...

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[SovereignGrace]

You are excellent at putting words into other people's mouths. I said nothing about divorce or the 10 commandments.

The reality is that verse in Psalms was written 3,000 years ago in an entirely different pre-Christian world to an entirely different audience.

Another reality is that people nowadays DO seek God. Just look at all the people that attend churches.

Your theology does not fit reality. You have a problem.

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You said a different audience, different application. The 10 commands and the decree of divorcement was given to Israel. By using your (il)logic, that's the conclusion of your theology.

 

[Calv1]

I'm not here to "exegete"; I'm curious what your point may be.

Having skimmed your posts in the past, and this being the cal/arm forum, I think you may be trying to make the point of predestination. That would indicate that some of the key words in the passage would be "foreknew," "remnant," and "elect." But those depend on pre-conceived definitions. For example, are you defining "foreknowledge" as "prior knowledge," or connecting it to "prior selection"? The same with the reference to remnant; in the context of the passage, are you implying that there are only 7,000, or that 7,000 is a sub-set of a larger number?

It's pretty simple, my honest point was to see an Arminian Exegete the passage. Just as I thought no one can. I have much tougher ones, this is a simple one.

 

[Calv1]

I want to see an Arminian...in BB. Are there any?

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No Exegesis

 

[Calv1]

In two or three words or less, set yourself apart from Calvinists. You have a preferred handle?

You may refer to me as hyper-Monergist.

No Exegesis. I thought so, just a bunch of people changing the subject. Really, really sad that no one can exegete a simple passage like this.

 

[Calv1]

No...you're a semi-pelagian. [emoji41]

I KNEW this would happen, seriously brother it's SAD. They criticize, alter the point, but not one can Exegete this, and as you know this is a simple one. If I put a tough one the insults would just get worse, sad.

 

[Calv1]

What if you live in Caladonia?

I guess people just like to talk, I don't see one attempt do you? Why post on a thread if they're just going to talk about other issues?????

 

[Calv1]

Funny, but true:

44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. Jn 6

elkuw; Pronounce: hel-koo'-o; Verb; 1) to draw, drag off ; 2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Right that word in Greek is DRAG. Its the same word used when the woman was DRAGGED to the well. What's fascinating about that to me is that God DOES drag us, I never wanted to be a Christian, I loved sin. He says "I will DRAW them with my lovingkindness".

The frustrating thing though of course is when people misunderstand it. You've heard it before "Oh God doesn't drag people to Heaven kicking and screaming", no of course He doesn't, He draws us with love. He "Take out our hearts of stone and puts in a heart of flesh", HE DOES THIS, yet people WON'T understand.

Augustine put it best, "We were made for God, and will not rest until we rest in Him", his point is as we have thirst and water satisfies it, as we have hunger and food satisfies it, so our hearts all have a longing, ONLY GOD can satisfy it, and when He comes into our hearts, we love Him, we can't help but love Him anymore than a thirsty person loves water.

I'm off topic, but everyone else is, not ONE PERSON CAN EXEGETE that simple passage which is sad, well my brothers can, but no Arminian can, and it's simple. Even the moderators are making up jokes, why do people post if it has nothing to do with the topic??