I want to see an Arminian Exegete this passage

So, you didn’t like John Wesley's exegesis?

 

Yes but not different Jesus's just 2 different views unless you are to claim Arminianism are another gospel.

 

He didn't say two different Jesus', but two different views of Him.

 

Well first lets start with the actual bible passage.

Thank God a person is more likely to get dyslexia then Calvinism.

Romans 1

1Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, 4who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, 6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

7to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen it means what it says:
Looks like we are graced to bring obedience to all gentiles.


Romans 11

1I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3“Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE.” 4But what is the divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” 5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. 6But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

7What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

8just as it is written,
“GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY.”

9And David says,
“LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.

10“LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER.”

11I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be! 13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”

27“THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”

28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?35Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? 36For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.




Amen it means what it says.

How do you harden the heart of something totally deprave? Only stupid folks can work that logic.

 

You didn't address any of the points in my question; and reading your further responses about no one exegeting...wasn't your real point of this so you can show your theological superiority, rather than search out the scriptures together and come to a deeper understanding of the God we all express our love and gratitude to for His mercy and grace?

 

Sorry I missed the thread. It wasn't a bad idea. You were thinking on your own, and for good reason:

7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision
8 (for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles);
9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision Gal 2

Writings intended for Jewish audiences carried a more damning/condemning tone and expectation of imminent/impending judgement than those intended for Gentiles, and knowing this helps to understand some hard passages in the epistles of James, Cephas, John, Jude, and the writer of Hebrews.

 

Finney gets blamed for way to much.

 

However, it is known and we are justified (not in a salvic sense) by the works of our lives. Paul said work out your own salvation. James said faith without works is dead.

 

I am sorry if any of this is redundant, I read the OP, and skipped the posts of the usual suspects shouting nonsense.

Romans 11:7 (NASB) What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

The OP request was for an Arminian to exegete this verse, as if it somehow supported the false theology of Calvinism.

Nearly every word for word philosophy translation starts with "What then?" This refers to a condition established in the prior passage. And that condition is the existence of a remnant existing within Israel because of God's chose of grace.

Next we get "What Israel is seeking" which teaches the lost can and do seek God. But seeking God on the basis of works is futile, all our works of righteousness as as filthy rages to God. Thus by seeking a right relationship with God on the basis of works, Israel has not encountered that relationship.

But those who were chosen obtained it - a right relationship with God. The verse does not tell us the basis for God's gracious choice, but we were chosen through faith in the truth, thus saved by grace through faith.

Lastly, "and the rest (those not chosen on the basis of faith) were hardened so they would not at least for the time being, come to faith. This again teaches the lost have an innate capacity to believe in Christ, which was taken away to facilitate the spread of the gospel in the Gentiles.

In summary this verse, as with the entire Bible, provides no support for Calvinism, and in fact teaches the lost seek God in various ways, some by works and some by faith, and that God hardens those of His choosing to preclude coming to faith for His overall purpose.

 

Good post, It is hard to find a, "you," in Hebrews 8:10-12, the reason being, I believe to be, the reason for the new is because in the old we find the, "you," verse 9, "they".

Christ replaced the,"you". The obedience of one!

 

I'm close to HM if not there.

 

Yet another post directed at disparaging me (a semi-Pelagian determinist) and not addressing Romans 11:7. This is all they have folks,

Nearly every word for word philosophy translation starts with "What then?" This refers to a condition established in the prior passage. And that condition is the existence of a remnant existing within Israel because of God's chose of grace.

Next we get "What Israel is seeking" which teaches the lost can and do seek God. But seeking God on the basis of works is futile, all our works of righteousness as as filthy rages to God. Thus by seeking a right relationship with God on the basis of works, Israel has not encountered that relationship.

But those who were chosen obtained it - a right relationship with God. The verse does not tell us the basis for God's gracious choice, but we were chosen through faith in the truth, thus saved by grace through faith.

Lastly, "and the rest (those not chosen on the basis of faith) were hardened so they would not at least for the time being, come to faith. This again teaches the lost have an innate capacity to believe in Christ, which was taken away to facilitate the spread of the gospel in the Gentiles.

In summary this verse, as with the entire Bible, provides no support for Calvinism, and in fact teaches the lost seek God in various ways, some by works and some by faith, and that God hardens those of His choosing to preclude coming to faith for His overall purpose.