Featured Face Off Between The KJV And NIV

This is not a question for me, but for the original authors of the Greek. They made the claim, not me.

I am simply pointing out how "the more accurate reading" seems to actually be "changing it to what I think rather than what was written".

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Evil predates money.

 

I'm not sure how much more clear I can be on this. Look at the Greek. The KJV seems to correctly translate it, while the NIV adds words to fit into it human understanding.

You can give me all kinds of reasons why the KJV is wrong. But each time I will simply pint you to the fact that the KJV correctly translates it.

Your argument is with the Greek authors.

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The fact that κακών is plural would cause me to side with the NIV. Multiple types of evil seem to be in view. If all evil was in play, I would think the singular would have been used. A singular use would imply evil as a whole was in view....but that isn't what was used.

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From Billl Mounce on 1 Tim 6:10

“BAGD shows that πᾶς can designate ‘everything belonging, in kind, to the class designated by the noun “every kind of,” “all sorts of”’ (631[1aβ]), listing these examples among others: γέμουσιν … πάσης ἀκαθαρσίας, ‘they are full … of all kinds of uncleanness’ (Matt 23:27); ἀπὸ παντὸς ἔθνους, ‘from every kind of nation’ (Acts 2:5); πᾶσαν ἐπιθυμίαν, ‘[evil] desire of every kind’ (Rom 7:8); and πᾶν ἁμάρτημα, ‘every kind of sin’ (1 Cor 6:18). If this is applicable here, Paul is saying that every different category of sin, but not every specific sin, has a root in the love of money.”

 

You missed my point. What is the context of the passage? False teachers.

 

Can we discuss "the root" and "a root"? Definite and indefinite articles have caused no small amount of consternation among some Bible students. See John 1:1, "The God and a god" in the NWT from The Watchtower.

Another dumb question: Is there a difference between loving silver and filthy lucre?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

I hope that I am not the cause of this thread. I like the NIV but I don't use it. I used to study Shakespeare so the KJV is easy for me and I think that it is beautiful English. It is mostly the work of William Tyndale, apparently. I also like Matthew Henry, who is a little flowery but I like that, also. I also have the complete Alexander Scourby reading the KJV on CDs. I consider the KJV accurate but I don't consider any translation as perfect.

I think the key to the phrase is "the love of money" because I have had a few people try to tell me that it is money itself that is the root of all evil, which is not what Scripture says.

Please read to me Psalm 23 only in KJV. I do have it made and I have been drinking from my saucer for many years in spite of the breach of etiquette.

Psalms 23:1 (KJV) <<A Psalm of David.>> The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

 

You have front loaded this test, as you will value ease of reading and understanding over being most accurate to the intended meaning of the original texts, so of course the Niv wins!

 

The article in Greek is often used in places where we would not use it in English, and it is often missing from places where English demands it. If "evils" is treated as plural and "all kinds" in view, then weather "a" to "the" is used doesn't make much difference. Nor is there any firm rule I know of that would cause on to choose "a" over "the" or vice versa. John 1 is a different issue, even though it is an article issue (the NWT is clearly wrong) and would require a different thread. Otherwise this one will get way sidetracked.

 

ease of reading (and understanding) are critical to ones study of scripture. Without that criterion, people who struggle with the wording are apt to abandon the very texts that are so vital to the scriptural context. I myself struggle but with the tools of NKJ & NIV, I can at least gain some understand & I am less likely to become frustrated and abandon my scriptural studies.

 

The carnal mind has difficulty with the Word of God in any lingo.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

John 11:35
NIV: Jesus wept.
KJV: Jesus wept.

Isaiah 20:3
KJV: And the Lord said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;
NIV: Then the Lord said, Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,