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Featured Face Off Between The KJV And NIV

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Sep 10, 2017.

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  1. Deacon

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    Acts 13:26 (NA28) [unchanged from NA27]
    Ἄνδρες ἀδελφοί, υἱοὶ γένους Ἀβραὰμ καὶ οἱ ἐν ὑμῖν φοβούμενοι τὸν θεόν, ἡμῖν ὁ λόγος τῆς σωτηρίας ταύτης ἐξαπεστάλη.

    Acts 13:26 (UBS5)
    Ἄνδρες ἀδελφοί, υἱοὶ γένους Ἀβραὰμ καὶ οἱ ἐν ὑμῖν φοβούμενοι τὸν θεόν, ἡμῖν ὁ λόγος τῆς σωτηρίας ταύτης ἐξαπεστάλη.

    Acts 13:26 (TR1550MR)
    ανδρες αδελφοι υιοι γενους αβρααμ και οι εν υμιν φοβουμενοι τον θεον υμιν ο λογος της σωτηριας ταυτης απεσταλη
     
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    That is what figured

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  3. Rippon

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    "I think it is fair to conclude that in terms of translation philosophy the ESV is closer to the NIV than to the NASB." Rod Decker

    "While the NIV is generally placed in the functional equivalency camp, it actually, by design, falls roughly in the middle between the two poles of formal and functional equivalence." William W. Combs

    "...the exceptional care and seriousness with which the NIV translators have sought to apply a coherent philosophy of translation to the biblical text."

    "The result is a sparkingly clear, yet judiciously conservative, English Bible for the 21st century." Moises Silva
     
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    By what standard do you claim the KJV is more accurate? It uses formal and dynamic equivalence.
     
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    The KJV is the "most accurate" based upon what evidence?
     
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    He was talking about one verse, 1 Timothy 6:10, of which he said:
     
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    I don't think he has ever claimed the KJV is most accurate. In fact quite the opposite.

    It might be a good idea to go back and read the entire thread. :)
     
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    Stop that!
     
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    Yes but it requires retranslation to modern English which becomes over time very tedious.
     
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    A translation which requires translation is not a true translation.
     
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    KJV Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Mark 9:44 and 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
    NIV Both verses omitted

    KJV Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Mark 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
    NIV Omitted.

    KJV Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
    NIV Omitted

    KJV 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    NIV Omitted

    And that is just a small sample.........
     
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    KJV Omitted
    NIV Psalm 145:13b The Lord is trustworthy in all he promises and faithful in all he does.

    Rob ;)
     
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    Uh, it is already in Modern English.

    Old English 500-1100
    Middle English 1100-1500
    Modern English 1500-Present
     
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    That's most likely added, while verse 17 says nearly the same thing, only better. :)

    17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

    So God isn't just "trustworthy" in "promises": He's completely "righteous" in "ALL His ways" and He's not just "faithful" in His works: He's entirely HOLY. That pretty much goes above and beyond with no need to leave anything out,

    On the other hand, leaving out stuff like "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." and " For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" is pretty serious wouldn't you think?
     
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    Since 1611, the English language has been subjected to something they call "semantic drift", also known by other terms. But there is nothing wrong with having to look up the meanings to words as you have to do it sometimes in "modern" dictionaries anyway. One thing I have learned about the King James is that it uses singular pronouns like thee, thou, thy, thine and plural pronouns like ye, and you and by using the different forms, also tells us whether the pronoun is the subject, or object, Today we only use "you" and "yours" to cover it all. In that respect alone, the King James is more accurate.
     
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    After doing a study on bible versions a few years back, I came to the conclusion that the best bibles we have out there are the NASB and ESV.
     
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    Not the most accurate, but more accurate to the originals than the Niv is, as a good formal translation is to be preferred to a good DE one!
     
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    More accurate than the Niv version, as formal translation is to be preferred over a DE one, but not the most accurate, as I see both Nas/NKJV superior to the Kjv!
     
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    Like reading Shakespeare.
     
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    And what brought you to that conclusion?
     
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