eschatology continued

Nah its just the creditably of futurists is lacking. Its been the end of the word for 2000 years, and yet here we are.
If this was around 1948, we would all be having a talk about how the Fig tree is Israel getting its leaves back. But here we are more than a generation after it and no planes falling out of the sky yet, If your into that "Pre trib" stuff, or no jesus on a Nimbostratus quite yet.

 

I spent 3 hours this morning reading commentaries, and 99% of the futurist ones said pretty much, verse 27 has happened yet, so it must be a future antichrist, or they just said this is referring to the antichrist. They have no idea where they get that idea, one even said the semi colon introduces the pause in time. Sure i think that to be true, but its a cause and effect thing, Jesus was cut off so the city and sanctuary were to be destroyed, the second temple, not an imaginary 3rd.

Hebrew verb for "cease" (shabath") is here used with the hiphil stem. The hiphil stem can be causative action,, That is why "he shall cause" is including in some translations.

It was the Romans who ended the sacrificial system of the Jewish religionwhen they destroyed the Temple. While that destruction of the Temple did not occur until 70 A.D., the actual process of starting destruction of the city and the Temple was when Jesus was Crucified in the middle of His 7-year ministry.

In other words, This does not imply Jesus himself actually did the ceasing but was the cause of the ceasing.

So to each his own understanding I guess.


And if you Judaism Jew, the prophecy isn't about Jesus anyways in their translation. So If we get into Hebrew Grammar and what not, anything is possible.

 

Thanks for the laugh

 

You are complicating that verse even more past my point against a future antichrist.

 

24) Seventy weeks (490 years) are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.
25) Know therefore and discern that from the issuing of a word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (starting from its destruction) until an anointed Prince (Cyrus) will be seven weeks (49 years) and then for sixty-two weeks (434 years) it will be built again with plaza and moat but in troubled times. (Persian, Greek and Roman domination)
26) Then after the sixty-two weeks (483 years from the destruction of the first Temple) an anointed one (sacrifices, last Jewish priest and king) will be cut off and will be no more, and the people of the prince (Romans) who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. (in the 70th week 490 years from the destruction of the first Temple)

This is a brief explanation of Daniel chapter 9. Any attempt to apply this chapter to Jesus is erroneous and wrought with mistranslations and misinterpretations.


This is how a Jewish person views this chapter, so you can see the method of interruption is widely ranged.

From this to a future antichrist 2000 years later

 

K&D

Against this new attempt to solve the mystery of the seventy weeks, Hofmann, in Schriftbew. ii. 2, p. 594, raises the objection, "that in Dan 9:26 a period must be described which belongs to the past, and in Dan 9:27, on the contrary, another which belongs to the time of the end; this makes the indissoluble connection which exists between the contents of the two verses absolutely impossible." In this he is perfectly right. The close connection between these two verses makes it certainly impossible to interpose an empty space of time between the cutting off of the Anointed, by which Fries understands the dispersion of Israel among the heathen in the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, and the coming of Antichrist, a space which would amount to 1800 years.