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[prophecy70]

You did not, nor did I say (or intentionally imply) that you did. However, the repeated ridiculing of people like Lindsey, plus some other posts (not necessarily yours) seem to imply that position.

Nah its just the creditably of futurists is lacking. Its been the end of the word for 2000 years, and yet here we are.
If this was around 1948, we would all be having a talk about how the Fig tree is Israel getting its leaves back. But here we are more than a generation after it and no planes falling out of the sky yet, If your into that "Pre trib" stuff, or no jesus on a Nimbostratus quite yet.

 

[David Kent]

Jesus was crucified in the middle of a prophetic week and also a literal week (Wednesday)

 

[prophecy70]

I am sorry Bro John, but I cannot see any other understanding than that, apart to impose a pre conceived idea.

I spent 3 hours this morning reading commentaries, and 99% of the futurist ones said pretty much, verse 27 has happened yet, so it must be a future antichrist, or they just said this is referring to the antichrist. They have no idea where they get that idea, one even said the semi colon introduces the pause in time. Sure i think that to be true, but its a cause and effect thing, Jesus was cut off so the city and sanctuary were to be destroyed, the second temple, not an imaginary 3rd.

But the sacrifice did not cease. The sacrifices continued until the temple was destroyed in AD 70.

Hebrew verb for "cease" (shabath") is here used with the hiphil stem. The hiphil stem can be causative action,, That is why "he shall cause" is including in some translations.

It was the Romans who ended the sacrificial system of the Jewish religionwhen they destroyed the Temple. While that destruction of the Temple did not occur until 70 A.D., the actual process of starting destruction of the city and the Temple was when Jesus was Crucified in the middle of His 7-year ministry.

In other words, This does not imply Jesus himself actually did the ceasing but was the cause of the ceasing.

So to each his own understanding I guess.


And if you Judaism Jew, the prophecy isn't about Jesus anyways in their translation. So If we get into Hebrew Grammar and what not, anything is possible.

 

[agedman]

Nah its just the creditably of futurists is lacking. Its been the end of the word for 2000 years, and yet here we are.
If this was around 1948, we would all be having a talk about how the Fig tree is Israel getting its leaves back. But here we are more than a generation after it and no planes falling out of the sky yet, If your into that "Pre trib" stuff, or no jesus on a Nimbostratus quite yet.

Do you not know that the Scriptures state:

3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.​

You seem to be a beginning of this prophecy fulfilling.

 

[David Kent]

Do you not know that the Scriptures state:

3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.​

You seem to be a beginning of this prophecy fulfilling.

I may have missed something but I cannot see what that has to do with anything,

 

[David Kent]

The Romans did not cause the sacrifice to cease, it was the rebels who murdered all the priests. Titus begged the Jews to continue the sacrifice.
Titus, did not set out to destroy the city or the temple but to get the Jews to return to legitimate Roman rule.

 

[agedman]

I may have missed something but I cannot see what that has to do with anything,

It is response to P70’s view of those “futuristicl thinking folks who look forward to prophecy fulfillment as it is written based upon prophecy already fulfilled in Christ’s first advent exactly as written.

 

[David Kent]

It is response to P70’s view of those “futuristicl thinking folks who look forward to prophecy fulfillment as it is written based upon prophecy already fulfilled in Christ’s first advent exactly as written.

Sorry, I still don't understand. But futurists do not teach that Christs second coming as written in the scriptures, they add to it when they say "He is coming to the air,"

 

[prophecy70]

Do you not know that the Scriptures state:

3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.​

You seem to be a beginning of this prophecy fulfilling.

Thanks for the laugh

 

[prophecy70]

The Romans did not cause the sacrifice to cease, it was the rebels who murdered all the priests. Titus begged the Jews to continue the sacrifice.
Titus, did not set out to destroy the city or the temple but to get the Jews to return to legitimate Roman rule.

You are complicating that verse even more past my point against a future antichrist.

 

[prophecy70]

24) Seventy weeks (490 years) are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.
25) Know therefore and discern that from the issuing of a word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (starting from its destruction) until an anointed Prince (Cyrus) will be seven weeks (49 years) and then for sixty-two weeks (434 years) it will be built again with plaza and moat but in troubled times. (Persian, Greek and Roman domination)
26) Then after the sixty-two weeks (483 years from the destruction of the first Temple) an anointed one (sacrifices, last Jewish priest and king) will be cut off and will be no more, and the people of the prince (Romans) who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. (in the 70th week 490 years from the destruction of the first Temple)

This is a brief explanation of Daniel chapter 9. Any attempt to apply this chapter to Jesus is erroneous and wrought with mistranslations and misinterpretations.


This is how a Jewish person views this chapter, so you can see the method of interruption is widely ranged.

From this to a future antichrist 2000 years later

 

[prophecy70]

K&D

Against this new attempt to solve the mystery of the seventy weeks, Hofmann, in Schriftbew. ii. 2, p. 594, raises the objection, "that in Dan 9:26 a period must be described which belongs to the past, and in Dan 9:27, on the contrary, another which belongs to the time of the end; this makes the indissoluble connection which exists between the contents of the two verses absolutely impossible." In this he is perfectly right. The close connection between these two verses makes it certainly impossible to interpose an empty space of time between the cutting off of the Anointed, by which Fries understands the dispersion of Israel among the heathen in the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, and the coming of Antichrist, a space which would amount to 1800 years.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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