Christology and Preterism

Well I don't agree that Christ came spiritually at that time. BUT.

• Ruth 1:6 Then she arose with her daughters in law, that she might return from the country of Moab: for she had heard in the country of Moab how that the LORD had visited his people in giving them bread.

Did the LORD visit his people visibly, spiritually or metaphorically?

• Matthew 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
• 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
• 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
• 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
• • Exodus 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The Jews did kill the son and God did take away the Kingdom and gave to another. The Jews were to be a Kingdom of priests, but they kiiled the son and so The LORD came, v40, and took the kingdom from them and gave it to another nation who became

• Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

Yes, I can see how absurd this is.

I will reply on the basis that Jesus' coming as prophesied in his Olivet prophecy took place in the events surrounding the AD 70 destruction. That coming was not the prophesied final coming for the resurrection & judgment, when Jesus will bring about the NH&NE. If you only want to argue about "hyper preterism" then I will leave the thread.

My reading this morning was in 2 Timothy:

2:14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”​

Your fundamental error here is to reinterpret the teaching of others, using false logic, so that it is contrary to Scripture.

 

The position of JW teaching is that Jesus did NOT have a material resurrection of the body and when He ate the fish post resurrection with the disciples it was simply a show to give them assurance that He was still alive.

I once asked a JW what happened then to the body of Jesus in the tomb.

The official JW answer is that it was disintegrated.

This is a truthful recounting of what I was told, maybe its been changed by JW's by now.

but my question to full preterists is similar.

If the material body of Jesus that ate with the disciples post resurrection is not in heaven,
what happened to it and/or where is it now?

HankD

 

it is statements like this that keep things so hostile around here. Its childish and unnecessary.

 

I've never heard the term "hypostatic union" in all my life, but I do believe, & have always believed in the full & perfect deity & humanity of Jesus Christ as expressed in the Trinity.

As a diabetic, I am familiar with the term "hypo" & I had bad side effects when I was given statins for raised cholesterol. As a preacher I seek to present my teaching in terms my congregation can understand, rather than use technical terms that have to be defined.

I believe Jesus came in the events relating to the AD 70 destruction as he prophesied, being seen in the clouds by the signs he gave.

Mat. 24:Mat 24:30 - “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.​

I believe he will come in glory at the end of time for resurrection of the redeemed to eternal glory & the unjust to eternal separation from God in hell.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

2 Thes. 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.​

In no way do those beliefs contradict my belief in the "hypostatic union" aka the perfect deity & humanity of our Saviour & Redeemer the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

I'm theologically self educated by reading Scripture & Reformed & Evangelical books, & of course attending church & listening to sermons, & focused studying in order to teach. My degree is in Chemistry, with Physic & Maths; I self educated in the 80s in Computer programming. In the 90s I took a one year course in Conservation & Environment Management.

In my employment, I wrote reports for management that had to be understood by the non-technical, & also Patents that had to be technically precise.

My wife has a joint degree in Theology & History, at the same university. When I retired I bought a piano - keyboard & took adult education music classes & am church musician. The instrument in my photo is an Indian harmonium - I bought it to accompany Asian songs & hymns - & I learned Punjabi & Hindi scripts to produce printed songbooks with text in Roman, Punjabi & Hindi so we could all sing from the same hymn-sheet.

No, I would not class myself as a theologian, but I do understand theology for practical purposes.

Your question -

"Did Jesus Christ come physically (bodily) in AD 70, or "spiritually"?
Again, you did not answer the question. In the future, will Jesus come physically (bodily)?
I don't think you are understanding my point here. It all hinges on the idea that Jesus came "spiritually" but not physically in AD 70, something you've not addressed."​

- requires an answer that is beyond my understanding.

How can an infinite being - God the Son - be confined in a human body?

How can one God be a Trinity?

In what sense is Jesus with us always?

How can he uphold all things by the word of his power across the vast universe of time & space?

What I understand, with my limited human intellect, whether Jesus was present as a spiritual or physical being when he came in AD 70, or how he will be when he comes at the last day, cannot affect the hypostatic union.

Let me ask you - is the soul/spirit of Christ confined to his physical body - is his spiritual presence with his people a separation of the hypostatic union?

Does the hypostatic union of deity & humanity of Jesus Christ require his deity to exist within his physical body?

And when every eye will see Him what will 10 billion people around the earth see?

Theses are HUGE questions that will be best discussed as questions for all of us, for our blessing & understanding, NOT as points of contention. And I don't expect a concise answer

 

Well I am not a preacher. I have would have liked to but it is not one of the gifts that God gave me.

But I can see that if your theological lecturers are following erroneous teachings you are likely to follow those teachers if you don't do what scripture says, "Test everything" That is the scripture test for all teaching especially prophecy.

• 1 Thessalonians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
• 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

Systematic Theology,Three Volumes in One; Augustus Hopkins Strong, 1912, page 279.

If we can accept the above definition of the omnipresence of God then there should be no theological rational reasoning speaking against the presence of the Logos residing in the (x,y) coordinates of His resurrected and glorified body simultaneously with the rest of His infinite creation.

HankD

 

Your attempt by false "logic" to refute Jesus' prophecy is nonsense.

I answered the question from Scripture:

I believe Jesus came in the events relating to the AD 70 destruction as he prophesied, being seen in the clouds by the signs he gave.

Mat. 24:Mat 24:30 - “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.​

 

He took the kingdom away from the spiritual leaders of that time who willingly had him crucified, but Paul also makes a valid case that God still has a future for the Jewish people to yet come, when they as a people received Yeshua at His second coming!

 

Jesus is Both God and Mna, so when he comes back, it will be in the same Body that was raised, in a physical form.