You can be a Christian and deny essential doctrine

What is there to mediate?

 

The broken relationship between God and man. (That is pretty basic stuff.)

A mediator is one who intervenes between two persons who are at variance, with a view to reconcile them. This word itself is not found in the Old Testament; but the idea is found in Job 9:33 , in the word "daysman" (KJV) or "umpire" (in the KJV margin and the WEB).

The word is used in the New Testament to indicate a go-between, or an ambassador, one who acts as a middle man for communication between two parties in conflict. It is in this sense that Moses is called a mediator in Galatians 3:19.

I have to admit to some surprise that so few Baptist Board participants are familiar with the biblical concept of the Mediatorial Kingdom and those who served, or will serve, as Mediator/Kings.

 

Nothing surprises me anymore.

I wanted Y1 to explain how he viewed forgiveness in the present as when we sin we have a Mediator; if we confess God is faithful to forgive, etc.

 

I see. So you do not ask that your sins be forgiven because they were long before you were born. Instead you ask that this relationship which is not technically based on unforgiven sins be restored. The focus being on you and your conscience as nothing is held against you as a "sin debt".

 

I understand - it is essentially going through the motions....a mental exercise with no consequence at all because Jesus already took that break in fellowship upon Himself at the Cross. You are "playing the game" that Jesus spoke of as "asking for forgiveness".

 

I understand - it is essentially going through the motions....a mental exercise with no consequence at all because Jesus already took that break in fellowship upon Himself at the Cross. You are "playing the game" that Jesus spoke of as "asking for forgiveness".

 

How? Isn't sin itself rebellion against God? Did Jesus not experience the consequences of your sins, to include that break in fellowship? Why did Jesus and Paul pretend we still needed forgiveness for the sins we commit in this lifetime?

 

So Christ's death was potential and you need the results to be applied to you by asking for it? If you don't ask you are not forgiven?

 

But Jesus and Paul taught that when we sinned we still needed forgiveness. That's what's so fascinating about neo-Calvinism. The more you build on your theory the less it resembles Scripture.

 

I see.....so we basically control God and hinder Him from blessing us in this life and control how He acts towards us but we are already forgiven so there is really no repentance necessary in terms of sins in need of forgiveness. That's a pretty neat theology.

It isn't what the Bible says at all, but hey....you already knew that from all the requests for you to provide Scripture.

 

I've kinda been messing with you - I know what you believe. BUT you cannot provide Scripture for the basis of your belief here because what you believe is not in the Bible. This leaves you with a skewed view of the Cross, of redemption, and of forgiveness. It is unfortunate, but I understand this is just how it is.

What I recommend is that you take the time to look up all of the verses mentioned in these threads and highlight the passages that actually state that God was wrathful towards Christ, that Christ suffered what the lost will at Judgment, etc. I guarantee you there will be nothing highlighted when you are done.