Still no facts supporting preterism!

Preterism does not survive Matthew 24 or Rev 20 or Rev 6 or Rev 12 or Rev 22 or ...

 

Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ! This is my very 1st post on this board.(my parents were Baptists for many years). I'm a partial preterist, both amillennial and post-millennial at the same time. I tried to reply on another thread discussing the Porousia but did not have privileges. Here is a verse to consider and I'm curious how the futurists are explaining this nowadays: Matthew 16:27-28

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

 

Well, how do we know if Enoch and Elijah weren't in the listening audience and/or others destined to remain until the parousia?

As I said before preterists ask us to believe the incredulous - so how about my question of incredulity ?

HankD

 

If the events told about by Jesus have already taken place, how is it true that "not one stone (of the temple) will be left on top of another," when there is still that o.e wall standing?

 

Brother Hank, Matthew 16 verse 21 states that Jesus was speaking to his disciples. There is no mention of Enoch and/or Elijah being in attendance. That is a huge assumption on your part. Christ is clear that some there at the time he made those statements would not be dead when they saw Christ come in his kingdom.

 

Alcott, that is a very good question. Ernest Martin provides clear evidence that the "wailing wall" in Jerusalem was not part of Temple that existed during the time of Herod & Jesus. You can read all about it here: The Strange Story of the False Wailing Wall

 

Bingo.

 

Brother Robycop, This web site provides an incredible amount of historical evidence for the fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel, Jesus, and the Apostle John occurring in the 66-73 A.D time period: All Prophecies Fulfilled! | 817-793-9461 | Preterist Bible Commentary 1st century historians such as Josephus has recorded eyewitness accounts of heavenly armies in conflict in the clouds above Jerusalem starting in the year 66AD. Jesus, the Son of Man, was LITERALLY Seen in the Clouds in A.D. 66 - Revelation Revolution

To prevent confusion concerning my position, the web site All Prophecies Fulfilled! | 817-793-9461 | Preterist Bible Commentary is a full preterist web site. However, I'm a partial preterist. I reference Revelation Revolution because of the amount of historical research that Dr. Morais has done.

My position is somewhat unique even among partial preterists. I see the parousia of Christ as occurring in the 66-73 AD time period which included a resurrection gathering event. It is the same event described in Revelation 20:5 : (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. This resurrection event is also described in Daniel 12 verses 1 & 2. In Matthew 24 it is described in verses 30 & 31. So the 1st resurrection in Rev 20:5 occurred near 70 AD. There must be a second resurrection gathering in our future. I see us either approaching Revelation 20 verse 7 or already in Rev 20:7 toward the end of the "thousand years" which is a symbolic number of years(not a literal 1000 years) meaning a very long period of time. If we are in the period in which the 1st century adversary has been released to deceive the nations again, that explains a lot of the darkness that we are witnessing these days.

 

Any believer is a disciple of the incarnate God.

Also there may be those here on earth who were there at the discourse whom God has preserved alive to this very day.

Hard to believe?

Well, preterists have offered believers an incredulity - that all scripture has been fulfilled.

HankD

 

Do you have it on record of any Preterist here that has actually stated that? Provide a link?

 

Welcome to the forum - you'll soon find you have friends in agreement, as well as friends who disagree.

Ian

 

Thank you for the welcome Brother Ian.

 

Yes I remember when the issue of preterism began that some admitted to being full preterists to the extent stated.
I have tried to scan through the myriad posts in the "preterist" related posts in the archives but its difficult sifting though it.

I believe asterisktom was one though he may have recapitulated the "all is fulfilled" position.

Another difficulty is trying to determine what is meant by the term "partial-preterist".

So rather than consume valuable time scanning for the aforementioned declaration of "all scripture is fulfilled" I will rescind the statement above until I find the requested declaration or a Full Preterist who believes "all scripture has been fulfilled" or find one who has the courage to admit it.

For the sake of the debate however I will define a Full Preterist thusly;

Anyone who denies that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is a future, visible and bodily return to the earth in His Glorified Resurrected Body.

HankD

 

HankD, I have to disagree with your definition of Full Preterism. Full Preterism is the belief that all prophecy recorded in the Bible has past fulfillment. In other words any prophetic statement made in the Bible from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 has already been fulfilled.

 

Then you would say that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already happened and is not a future, visible, bodily return to the earth in His Glorified Resurrected Body.

Correct?

Thanks.

HankD

 

Preterism and all its flavors is often difficult to nail down as has been shown.


HankD

 

ROFGuffawing!!!

Poll For The Dispensationalists_Which Are You?

 

From that poll:

Lol....

Really hard to 'nail down' a moving target, don't you think Hank?

Lol....