Featured "Free Choice" - MB

To choose between life ever lasting or Death ever lasting.
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Well you should know since it's where what you believe came from. Calvinism like Catholicism came in to being the same way. Invented by men.
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Where does that faith come from?

You just keep repeating yourself. You don't engage in answering questions. You think that a discussion forum is a private monologue for yourself. It's not.

You'll never be able to convince us of anything since you cannot support your beliefs with scripture.

And... just so you know, you aren't showing any of that 'love' you talk about. Nope, just ain't feeling it.

Bottom line, only scripture matters.

 

Yes. But there are a few things we must understand. There are some of these that Calvinists do not agree on:
1. We are dead in our trespasses. Since we are born dead spiritually, we CANNOT turn to God on our own. We cannot hear God, see God or choose God unless God intervenes. (Calvinists AGREE on this statement).
2. God calls ALL men to Himself but FEW are chosen. (The Calvinists AGREES on this statement)
3. Those who are chosen were chosen based on the foreknowledge of God. God chose those who WOULD be willing to receive Him. (Calvinist MAY OR MAY NOT agree on this statement).
4. God will give EVERYONE the ability to believe or not believe. This comes at the point of conviction. The Spirit will draw ALL sinners to himself and gives them the ABILITY to choose Jesus or reject Jesus. (The Calvinist will NOT agree on this statement. They believe God only grants the ability to believe to the chosen ones. Hence the reason why they believe in Irresistible Grace.)
5. The minute that the Spirit convicts an individual, that is when free will comes in. That person has to make the choice to believe or not believe. If they believe, the Spirit will grant them eternal life, if they don't they remain in their sin. (The Calvinist does NOT believe in this statement. They believe you must receive eternal life first before one believes).

 

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

True and is why Calvinist ignore the truth of scripture in favor of their so called great men of the faith who misled them in the first place.

 

Liberals and Calvinists often redefine the meaning of words and phrases, such that the message is changed to one they agree with. For example, if exhaustive foreknowledge precludes everything except the foreknown thought or action, as Calvinism asserts, then we still exercise choice when we pick the only alternative. Thus non-choice is redefined as choice.

However, scripture says God sets before us the choice of life or death, two alternate outcomes. Again, Calvinism redefines this to mean God sets before the non-elect the death only alternative, and before the elect, the life only alternative. Thus nullifying scripture to assert their false theology.

Now lets back-up to the word "free" in "free choice." Why not say, provided we are not one of the first soil of Matthew 13, and we behold Christ high and lifted up, we have a choice to go "all in" for Christ or hold back. The rich young ruler wanted eternal life, but was unwilling to part with his worldly treasures. So he held back.

Last point, if, as Calvinism claims, all our choices are non-choices (we can only choose the foreknown outcome, then God is the author of sin. Since our choices to sin were predestined, then God punishes sinners for the sin He caused. Again, Calvinism says God is not the author of sin, but why He is not, given the predestined nature of our choices, is a mystery. Cognitive dissonance anyone.

 

Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

In salvation, If your heart says "yes" to Jesus, through the conviction of the Holy Ghost, then God directs you ultimately to Heaven. If it says "no", God will put you in the other place. God gives us the choice to "choose life" or suffer the alternative because He alone controls the consequences of all of our choices. It may not be worded exactly as you wish, but the Bible teaches that we have "free will'' in everything we decide. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Deuteronomy 30:19

 

Two problems. There are people who have never heard the word of the Lord. There are people who have heard the word and REJECT it. Seems like John 6 is something you should read. It's just as I have said. From the words of the Savior, "My sheep HEAR my voice.

 

I'm still waiting on this scripture you claim to have.

 

Yet another denial of the obvious, Even in this thread, Katarina provided a quote making that Calvinist assertion.

The issue is not the call but the non-choice, so yet another deflection to hide false theology.

Yet another false charge, 1 Cor. 2:14 does not say natural people cannot understand all the things of the Spirit, that is your rewrite.

False assertion once more. See Matthew 23:13 where lost men were entering the kingdom of heaven.

If a person can only choose one alternative, that is not a choice. Again a denial of the obvious.

Yet another denial of Calvinistg doctrine. God ordains (predestines) whatsoever comes to pass, including our choice to sin, yet God is not the author of sin. Pure nonsense wrapped in an enigma. Cognitive dissonance on display.

 

Here is the non sliced and diced presentation of truth. Enjoy
Liberals and Calvinists often redefine the meaning of words and phrases, such that the message is changed to one they agree with. For example, if exhaustive foreknowledge precludes everything except the foreknown thought or action, as Calvinism asserts, then we still exercise choice when we pick the only alternative. Thus non-choice is redefined as choice. See post #14 for a typical assertion.

However, scripture says God sets before us the choice of life or death, two alternate outcomes. Again, Calvinism redefines this to mean God sets before the non-elect the death only alternative, and before the elect, the life only alternative. Thus nullifying scripture to assert their false theology.

Now lets back-up to the word "free" in "free choice." Why not say, provided we are not one of the first soil of Matthew 13, and we behold Christ high and lifted up, we have a choice to go "all in" for Christ or hold back. The rich young ruler wanted eternal life, but was unwilling to part with his worldly treasures. So he held back.

Last point, if, as Calvinism claims, all our choices are non-choices (we can only choose the foreknown outcome) then God is the author of sin. Since our choices to sin were predestined, then God punishes sinners for the sin He caused. Again, Calvinism says God is not the author of sin, but why He is not, given the predestined nature of our choices, is a mystery. Cognitive dissonance anyone.

 

Folks, as demonstrated above, all they have is denial, deflection and defeat.
No matter how often the absurdity is repeated, non-choice is not choice.
1 Cor. 2:14 does not say natural people cannot understand all the things of the Spirit,
Matthew 23:13 teaches the fallen have some spiritual ability, they were entering the kingdom.
Calvinism asserts God ordains (predestines) whatsoever comes to pass, including our choice to sin, yet God is not the author of sin. Pure nonsense wrapped in an enigma. Cognitive dissonance on display.