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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. asterisktom

    asterisktom Well-Known Member
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    Did you miss the first verse in that book?
     
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    The blessings of the New Covenant are promised to those of Israel and Judah, but the unbelief of the Jews opened the door for Gentile evangelism. In this present period of time that we know as the “times of the Gentiles,” more Gentiles are coming to faith than Jews.14 When the “times of the Gentiles” has come to an end, God will return His focus to the Jews, and then many will come to faith in Jesus as the Promised Messiah. It appears that this will occur after the Great Tribulation.15

    19. What's New About the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:6-13)
     
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    Israel did not take this step initially. Trump did unilaterally.
    "I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," President Trump said in a controversial address from the White House on Wednesday afternoon. He also directed the State Department to "begin preparation to move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem."
     
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    Of course not. I put it in its proper context.
     
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    The Palestinians actually have MORE of a DNA claim to the land than the Jews because they never left.
     
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    What's that? To shoe horn it into the eschatological box of your preference?
     
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    Its so broad you don't have to shovel it anywhere.
     
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    The PA is not a nation, they are trying to become one. Israel is an actual nation.
     
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    "things which must shortly come to pass" and in verse 3 we have

    "Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

    The things written here were to happen soon after the time of the revelation. How can context explain denying the plain meaning of these words, turning "the time is at hand" and "shortly" into almost 2000 years?
     
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    A day with the Lord is as 1000 years and A thousand years as a day.
     
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    I knew it. The old go-to verse.

    But it is considerably misapplied. The Peter passage (quoting from Moses) is about God's faithfulness, not His change of mind. The meaning is that God is faithful in all that He promises or threatens, whether the object of what was promised was to happen in a short or a long time. IOW, the long expanse of time took away nothing from God's long term promises, like the one in Daniel 9. It was fulfilled like clockwork.

    But here we have God's explicit statement that the things in Revelation are not long-range.

    We shouldn't care what most commentaries say." Let God be true and every man a liar."
     
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    Ain't I glad you can see that!
     
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    oh you are welcome:Laugh
     
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    Revelation is a compilation of promises and threats.
     
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    Daniel
     
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    No.

    The above language was not used in Daniel. The opposite, in fact. Compare Daniel 12:9, 13 with Rev. 22:10.

    Dan. 12:9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

    v. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.”

    Rev. 22:10 And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

    Do you see the contrast? In Daniel the time is far off. So the words are shut and sealed.

    But in Revelation the time is short. So the words are not sealed up. They require immediate attention.

    Now, according to the futurist interpretation, both Daniel and Revelation speak of the so-called future endtimes. How is this possible, seeing one is spoken of as "far off" and the other "near"?

    Probably 19 out of 20 Bible students, faced with this puzzler - if they even understand why it is a great incongruity - will go first to their commentary or favorite author, rather than search the Word.
     
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    So what does this mean? That we can trust His promises and ... take His threats less seriously?
     
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    I don't believe the Jews left voluntarily.
     
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    Actually Peter was addressing the scoffers of his day - the day in question was 40 years.
     
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    Presuming you mean 'internationally recognised state' by 'nation', the Palestinian Authority is recognised as a state by 136 countries and, since 2012, has been granted the status of a non-member observer state by the UN.
     
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