Featured Unconditional Election

MMRRPP! WRONG!

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness. But He is patient with us, because He does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

 

I believe I did; you just didn't like my answer.

the examples from Scripture I posted were clearly predestinated by God, but they still could've refused His call. However, God made His will known to them so plainly that only an idiot would've refused that call. YES, THEY STILL HAD TO ACCEPT GOD'S CALL!

 

the "all" in that context would be the ones God elected to come to faith in jesus!

 

Peter's intended readership. He did not know his letter would become Scripture to be read by all coming generations.

 

My reading comprehension is fine, likely better than yours.

My reply indeed addressed the OP. You simply didn't like my answer, as it didn't fit your doctrine.

 

Actually, ANYONE alive on earth is free to come to Jesus.

 

I have not provided a theory; I have presented observations. Your stance is that you are correct, and you want to change the mind of anyone who disagrees with you. That's been blatantly obvious since your first post on this board.

Of course; just not on this subject.

Where did you get "conditional election" from what I wrote? There is no conditional election in what I presented; the question is regarding elected to salvation, or elected because of salvation. The cause of salvation is the same.

Nope, I've honestly never heard that one.

Have you ever considered that the only reason one responds to an altar call is because God is drawing them?

 

Yes, but only the elect will choose to do that!

 

What part of man's being is not corrupted by the fall, that allows him to 'choose' to come to Christ?

 

His whole being. Thus he is allowed to to choose to come to Christ.

If you believe otherwise simply produce the verse where God says he made mankind incapable.

Now if your on the Romans 3 train, that is quoting psalms, And they are pointing out that matter of fact people AT THE TIME were rejecting God, and do not seek God.

But that has no bearing on whether THEY COULD.


In Genesis the fall of man, we get a whole list of consequences

Genesis 3
17Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.

18“Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;

19By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”


But God forgot to mention the most damning and worst consequence of all that mankind can do anything right.


No, Show us scripture or it is fake.

 

Sinners are under the "Bondage of the flesh"

 

All of man's being is corrupted. The difference is that God gives the ability to everyone to chose Him or reject Him. This happens at the point of salvation. I know that the Calvinists will reject this because that would destroy most of the TULIP.

 

Yes. The Spirit can lead them to the word which then leads to Jesus.

 

Show us with scripture they are different things.

John 1:12 says that those that receive Him will will be saved.Nothing there about regeneration as being different.

 

You added verse 13 and claimed it is verse 12. Why? And yes that is what it says and it is what I said it says.

This presupposes that regeneration and salvation are different therefore it cannot prove it.

I know you are trying to make a comparison here but you have failed. You failed because you used presuppositions in the previous claim and then you work to do the same here. I understand what Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification are but stating them individually does not prove a separation from regeneration. Your attempt here has failed.