Synergist and Monergist: Better Terms

[Reformed]

This thread is not a debate about labels. If you refuse to define yourself you may want to skip this thread. However, given the "I'm not an Arminian" chorus in some current threads, perhaps we find some agreement on terms?

A Monergist basically takes the Calvinist position on predestination and election. Time term comes from the root word "mono" which means "one". The "one" stands for God. God predestines and elects not by any work or foreseen faith by man, but after the counsel of His own will. Some Calvinists prefer this term because it eliminates some of Calvin's other beliefs like paedobaptism.

Synergy (Synergism) means to cooperate together to achieve a purpose. Those who hold to this view believe that God draws but will not violate the free will of the creature. The creature cooperates by believing.



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[thatbrian]

This thread is not a debate about labels. If you refuse to define yourself you may want to skip this thread. However, given the "I'm not an Arminian" chorus in some current threads, perhaps we find some agreement on terms?

A Monergist basically takes the Calvinist position on predestination and election. Time term comes from the root word "mono" which means "one". The "one" stands for God. God predestines and elects not by any work or foreseen faith by man, but after the counsel of His own will. Some Calvinists prefer this term because it eliminates some of Calvin's other beliefs like paedobaptism.

Synergy (Synergism) means to cooperate together to achieve a purpose. Those who hold to this view believe that God draws but will not violate the free will of the creature. The creature cooperates by believing.

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As a monergist, I'm happy with your definitions.

 

[kyredneck]

As a monergist, I'm happy with your definitions.

Lol, check this out:

What Side Of The Fence Are You?

....just a brief scan of the first couple pages and it's plain that getting free-willers to accept any label is "trying to nail jello to the wall".

 

[Revmitchell]

I am a Traditionalist.

 

[kyredneck]

Lol, see?

 

[Yeshua1]

I am a Traditionalist.

have to be one or the other listed on the OP though!

 

[Reformed]

Lol, see?

See what?

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[Reformed]

I'm on my phone. I could be missing some posts.

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[kyredneck]

See what?

...this:

I am a Traditionalist.

Few and far between are the synergists that will admit that they are synergists.

 

[Yeshua1]

...this:



Few and far between are the synergists that will admit that they are synergists.

Maybe because even to them it doesn't seem quite right?

 

[kyredneck]

Maybe because even to them it doesn't seem quite right?

"Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration."

What they believe couldn't be more truthfully and concisely articulated than the above, yet very few there are that will agree to it.

 

[Yeshua1]

"Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration."

What they believe couldn't be more truthfully and concisely articulated than the above, yet very few there are that will agree to it.

They want to keep real free will, and yet deny that they need to exercise it to get saved!

 

[Revmitchell]

They want to keep real free will, and yet deny that they need to exercise it to get saved!

Who are they?

 

[Yeshua1]

Who are they?

The persons who want to have a non cal viewpoint and yet not admit that their own free will is the ultimate basis that saved me!

 

[Revmitchell]

The persons who want to have a non cal viewpoint and yet not admit that their own free will is the ultimate basis that saved me!

That is pure garbage. You have been brainwashed my friend.

 

[Yeshua1]

That is pure garbage. You have been brainwashed my friend.

You do not accept that non cals see free will as what saved them?

 

[Revmitchell]

You do not accept that non cals see free will as what saved them?

Of course not, it is a ridiculous claim. What saves us is the shed blood of Jesus Christ. How that gets applied to the individual is another thing not "the" thing.

 

[kyredneck]

That is pure garbage.

So show Yesh to be wrong. Show how you do not believe that "my own free will is the ultimate basis that saved me!" Show us how you don't believe in 'decisional regeneration'. YOUR decision, that is.

Did YOU not 'decide' for Christ of your own free will?

Did YOU not 'accept' Christ of your own free will?

Did YOU not 'come' to Christ of your own free will?

What about 'free willer'? Will you own up to being a free willer?

Ultimately in the final analysis all you free willers are convinced you're going to heaven because YOU made the right decision. Of your own free will, of course.

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course not, it is a ridiculous claim. What saves us is the shed blood of Jesus Christ. How that gets applied to the individual is another thing not "the" thing.

The death of Jesus allows God to save you, but you still have to permit Him to do that, correct? that is where your free will comes into play?

 

[kyredneck]

The death of Jesus allows God to save you, but you still have to permit Him to do that, correct?

Yes. that's exactly what he believes.

that is where your free will comes into play?

Yes, that is exactly where it comes into play.