The Problem of Evil.

Who receives? Who wants to be understood? who wants to be believed?

I didn't call God to create me. He picked up the phone first.



Paul tells us why he was saved: guess which one is right?

A. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief.

B. Yet I was shown mercy because God chose me.


Paul is demonstration of PERFECT PATIENCE and MERCY.

Calvinist God is still a flip of a coin whether he loves you or not. And Paul would have demonstrated NOTHING.

In fact who are you trying to demonstrate and prove who to what? Calvinist don't even believe they can convince a person nor can they convince themselves concerning anything with God.

If I were a Calvinist I would be your leader because only I would show consistency belief.


If I were a Calvinist, it is a guaranteed waste of time to debate with non-Calvinist, I can't change their mind only God can do it. Its "ALL ON GOD".

If i were a Calvinist, Oh you don't agree with me? GREAT, Dear Lord if you can zap him thanks bye guys!

That is IT, That is all you have to do. The fact you guys keep debating PROVES YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN CALVINISM.

How about telling me how many times you pray to GOD to elect me?



“Lord, hasten to bring in all Thine elect—and then elect some more.” ---Charles Spurgeon

HE GETS IT^

I like Spurgeon.

 

Paul was BLINDED. Does God do that to all men, if He does try everything He can in order to save them?

 

Thank you for making my point.

Blessings.

 

YES, he will even sacrifice his own SON to save them!


God can SNEEZE and put everyone in heaven. But letting your son DIE for you that sends a MESSAGE, That is why Jesus is THE WORD.


Evil cannot comprehend will continue to get the the character of God WRONG.

They insult God believing him to be a filthy megalomaniac who can not even teach a man to tie his own shoes because it was too holy.

 

“What MUST I do?”

“Believe.”


Such belief cannot nor does occur from a heart that in changed.

“For it is with the heart ...”

 

SCRIPTURE SAYS:

10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


Calvinism says

10for with the heart a person believes, AFTER he is made righteous, and with the mouth he confesses,AFTER salvation.


One of these verse is from the bible, The other is a LIE from the pit of hell.

 

One cannot from a heart that is corrupt and evil proclaim that which is righteous.

Only a changed heart will bring righteous confession.

Jeremiah 17 did not change when the gospels were written.

9“The heart is more deceitful than all else
And is desperately sick;
Who can understand it?
10“I, the LORD, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give to each man according to his ways,
According to the results of his deeds.
​

Perhaps you can find a verse that states a man can change their own heart from corrupt to righteous so that what is expressed as belief from that deceitful desperately sick heart might gain God's attention that perchance in some unknown measure of self righteousness, the confession will be seen by God as salvation.

Do you not recognize that before there is a verse 10 there is a verse 8?

Romans 10:

6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ”b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
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Do you not understand that previous to the confession and the belief "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," ?

Do you not see that WORD has made a change in the very core of that person?

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Do you not understand 1 Corinthians 12:

2You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.​

For one to proclaim of their own strength that which only can be righteously proclaimed by the strength of the Holy Spirit working to change and in a changed heart is NOT salvation. It is such as lead astray by mute idols of this world, and the wickedness of this world.

Find some verse, somewhere in the Scriptures that supports your view.

If you can't find some Scripture proof, then it would be appropriate for you to examine from were the actual lie resides to design deceitfulness.

 

"Perhaps you can find a verse that states a man can change their own heart from corrupt to righteous so that what is expressed as belief from that deceitful desperately sick heart might gain God's attention that perchance in some unknown measure of self righteousness, the confession will be seen by God as salvation."

Luke 11

33“No one, after lighting a lamp, puts it away in a cellar nor under a basket, but on the lampstand, so that those who enter may see the light. 34“The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35“Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness. 36“If therefore your whole body is full of light, with no dark part in it, it will be wholly illumined, as when the lamp illumines you with its rays.”


Matthew 7

5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.


Luke 11
13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

I would challenge that you would say the above verse is impossible, That God would never give the holy spirit to one who is evil and asked for it.


Matthew 12

33“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. 34“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. 35“The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. 36“But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Jesus says “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad.
Good man brings out of his good treasure, Evil brings out of his evil treasure. Your not just one or the other if you were you would never sin.

Why does Jesus have to point this out? Because Jesus was being accused of doing GOOD without the capacity of doing Good.

24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

The same line of argument you would use against anyone unlike your faith, not chosen by your standard, who is a reprobate.

I love his response, if he is not elect or holy 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?


The pharisees, just like you, believe they alone have the capacity to do what is right, And that God only gave them this capacity.

The pharisees are still around today, I bet you can't spot them. Who are these self-proclaimed chosen who believe no one else is capable of doing good?


Ezekiel 33
14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.

This should be the final nail in that coffin. God can tell you to your face, YOU ARE WICKED and Will surely be damned. Its not fake wickedness, You are actually evil. Yet he restores, pays back, walks the right way, he is saved.



Read this VERSE as slow as you can, Catch the beginning.

10“Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’11“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live.

Who ever you have disqualified in mind, rotting away in their sin, How can they be saved?

God is GOOD and takes NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked, it is ON THEM to turn from his way and live.

 

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Not a verse concerning salvation.

Well, for all your work, you flat struck out.

Not a single offered verse or passage that supports salvation is given to those who from their own wicked deceit filled heart are capable of self changing, generating from that heart some belief that when confession is made warrants God's attention allowing them salvation.

So, you must try again.

Here is one for you to mull over just in case you want to consider your options.
1 Corinthians 2:

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.​

Without the Holy Spirit direct involvement causing the change FIRST, the person that is without the Holy Spirit does NOT ACCEPT the things from the Spirit of God but considers them foolish, not understandable, and indiscernible.

Again, Romans 10 states, “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” and this is BEFORE the verses on belief and confess and salvation. The heart is already changed, therefore the RESULTS are belief, confession, and salvation.

 

I neither 'made your point' nor agreed with it.

 

I beg to differ. Have a good weekend.

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Explain please

 

Interesting how the greatest enemy of Christ and His church just "decided" to start worshiping and obeying Jesus!

 

Is regeneration same thing as salvation?

 

You forgot to add that ONLY a sinner enabled by the Holy Spirit Himself will want to call upon Jesus to get saved!

 

Only a whore looks at the command of God and weighs it worth doing only if it pays out salvation.

(EDIT: for sake of English grammar the statement is not aimed at anyone, just matter of fact)

I do what God commands for free.

 

By quoting my post, then I assume you are assigning some unnecessary and unwarranted association. I have been called worse, just as unnecessary and unwarranted.

It is truly unfortunate that you so misrepresent others to your own detriment.

Why is that?

Perhaps you do not have answers and must resort to demeaning terms?

Did you not have presented to you very clear statements from Scriptures that refuted your thinking?

So, unless you have something of substance to offer...?

 

Salvation is not just a moment-in-time event. Salvation is really something we experience. We experience being saved from the penalty of sin. We experience the new birth. We experience being declared righteous. We experience the presence of the Holy Spirit. We will experience eternity with our risen Lord Jesus Christ. Regeneration is different. Regeneration is more event-driven; it is when the spiritual part of man is quickened and made alive by the work of the Holy Spirit.

 

I never disagreed with you, because it doesn't concern salvation

Demeaning who? I believe you are a child of God.

I seriously doubt if God showed up and asked you to do something, your going to retort with well what is in it for me.

I'm pretty confident you are going to do what he says.


The point being the priority is never "Concerning Salvation".

Indeed None of the verses are intended for the sake of "Salvation" they are about the priority of following God's command.

 

true, a sin the initial first part of the entire salvation experience, but this view of it is more reformed, as Baptists tend to see salvation in in when born again happened.