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If a Calvinist Preached on the Gospel from your Pulpit

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Jan 19, 2018.

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  1. agedman

    agedman Well-Known Member
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    This really isn't a thread for double predestination, but how does the typical non-cal handle:
    4The LORD has made everything for its own purpose,
    Even the wicked for the day of evil.
     
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    Because, (imo) the typical non-cal Baptist must then either hold to some number of Calvinistic points of tulip, or fall into some manner that salvation is secured by human effort of "run(Ing) the race" successfully with lingering doubts.

    Decades ago, a man was baptized for the 5th time because he didn't think he was sincere enough the other times. So, every time some "hard" preaching came alone, he was convinced he wasn't really saved.

    What is sad is that the non-cal basic thinking is that mental assent is enough.

    The Calvinistic thinking folks, truly understand that the heart of the Gospel is sufficient to convert both the intellect and the heart. That the once clean need only to have their feet cleaned.
     
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    How can one who agrees with the preservation/perseverance of the saints be other then osas?
     
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    Because most Calvinists avoid "OSAS". "OSAS" has too many antinomian connotations. Calvinists prefer perseverance of the saints because it teaches that true Christian faith will triumph over sin and the world.

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    Hank is a balanced Christian, neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist, yet both. He's not willing to take a position, but never against the Arminian side, for some reason. . .

    I'm still hoping that Hank will own some position and argue from it and for it.
     
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    I think the Apostle Paul would rejoice to see Christ preached and proclaimed as the Messiah, regardless if by a Calvinist or non Cal!
     
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    I also do not not know very many holding to OSAS who understand it in a proper fashion, that advocates saved and now able to live like the devil either!
     
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    They get hung up trying to preserve and keep intact real free will in the sinners till.
     
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    With difficulty I would imagine.

    HankD
     
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    Now, that's funny, Hank. I may be starting to get your humor.
     
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    :)

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    Well that's probably true, I haven't found one who isn't.

    Still why is it important to you?

    HankD
     
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    Dos it not show the inconsistency of the non-cal?

    There are those on the B.B. who hold 5hat humankind must do by taking what is offered, by repenting, by some human will....

    Therefore, it seems very inconsistent for the same who begin in human effort to then proclaim the perseverance / preservation of osas as a standard.
     
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    Their answer - Once you are born of God, you can't be unborn of God.

    IOW there is a dual responsibility - God and man.

    Once man chooses to believe, God takes over (so to speak) and gives regeneration.

    HankD
     
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    Therefore
    Such thinking violates that Scripture that states it is NOT by the will of man.

    And that Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ is the author and completer of faith.
     
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    Because they consistently seem to take the verbal beating here at the BB.

    I like to be compassionate towards the underdog.

    HankD
     
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    What about in the middle?

    HankD
     
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    Hank just defined synergism for us.
     
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    You and NFL fans.
     
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    Middle?

    The middle of the broad way is still leading to destruction.

    There is no middle in the narrow pathway, that single lane trail to life.

    :)
     
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