If a Calvinist Preached on the Gospel from your Pulpit

[agedman]

I agree and it would not be a problem for me.

However being a Sunday school teacher for several decades I know there would be trouble among the troops in "regular" Baptist church pulpits for someone who preaches and supports double predestination.

The O/P is aimed at "your pulpit".

Even if the view was not verbalized in the preaching of the gospel there would be those who would not be ease unless a full disclosure be made beforehand by said pulpit gospeleer.

HankD

This really isn't a thread for double predestination, but how does the typical non-cal handle:
4The LORD has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[agedman]

And why is that important to you aged one?

HankD

Because, (imo) the typical non-cal Baptist must then either hold to some number of Calvinistic points of tulip, or fall into some manner that salvation is secured by human effort of "run(Ing) the race" successfully with lingering doubts.

Decades ago, a man was baptized for the 5th time because he didn't think he was sincere enough the other times. So, every time some "hard" preaching came alone, he was convinced he wasn't really saved.

What is sad is that the non-cal basic thinking is that mental assent is enough.

The Calvinistic thinking folks, truly understand that the heart of the Gospel is sufficient to convert both the intellect and the heart. That the once clean need only to have their feet cleaned.

 

[agedman]

And why is that important to you aged one?

HankD

How can one who agrees with the preservation/perseverance of the saints be other then osas?

 

[Reformed]

Because most Calvinists avoid "OSAS". "OSAS" has too many antinomian connotations. Calvinists prefer perseverance of the saints because it teaches that true Christian faith will triumph over sin and the world.

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[thatbrian]

Hank,

I feel bad for you. You have zero points. You can't win the game with zero points. Think you need a handicap like in golf. LOL

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Hank is a balanced Christian, neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist, yet both. He's not willing to take a position, but never against the Arminian side, for some reason. . .

I'm still hoping that Hank will own some position and argue from it and for it.

 

[Yeshua1]

The word of God is what is used by the Holy Spirit, not some method or some view.

The very bible one holds in their hand may be printed and bound by heathens but as it is spoken it is used by the Holy Spirit.

Out of the heathen heart of one who merchandises the Scriptures for profit or gain when speaking the Scriptures the Word is used the Holy Spirit.

If God raised up the stars to proclaim as in Abram’s day or the rocks to praise, yet the Holy Spirit would use the Word.

What has been interesting to me is that a person who is Calvinistic in their thinking can tolerate and more often listen to a non-Cal preaching and teaching and be grateful, but the typical non-Cal has little tolerance and cannot last long under the preaching and teaching of a Calvinist.

Why?

Because, generally speaking, imo, the sovereignty of God. The non-Cal will desire some interest and emphasis upon human aspiration rather then the Word of God bringing respiration.

I think the Apostle Paul would rejoice to see Christ preached and proclaimed as the Messiah, regardless if by a Calvinist or non Cal!

 

[Yeshua1]

Because most Calvinists avoid "OSAS". "OSAS" has too many antinomian connotations. Calvinists prefer perseverance of the saints because it teaches that true Christian faith will triumph over sin and the world.

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I also do not not know very many holding to OSAS who understand it in a proper fashion, that advocates saved and now able to live like the devil either!

 

[Yeshua1]

They still preach and teach that one is a sinner, must be born again, done by accepting Jesus thru faith alone grace alone, Jesus has been resurrected, so same as we do, its just they do not understand it fully in a biblical way!

They get hung up trying to preserve and keep intact real free will in the sinners till.

 

[HankD]

This really isn't a thread for double predestination, but how does the typical non-cal handle:
4The LORD has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.

With difficulty I would imagine.

HankD

 

[thatbrian]

With difficulty I would imagine.

HankD

Now, that's funny, Hank. I may be starting to get your humor.

 

[HankD]

Now, that's funny, Hank. I may be starting to get your humor.

HankD

 

[HankD]

How can one who agrees with the preservation/perseverance of the saints be other then osas?

Well that's probably true, I haven't found one who isn't.

Still why is it important to you?

HankD

 

[agedman]

Well that's probably true, I haven't found one who isn't.

Still why is it important to you?

HankD

Dos it not show the inconsistency of the non-cal?

There are those on the B.B. who hold 5hat humankind must do by taking what is offered, by repenting, by some human will....

Therefore, it seems very inconsistent for the same who begin in human effort to then proclaim the perseverance / preservation of osas as a standard.

 

[HankD]

Therefore, it seems very inconsistent for the same who begin in human effort to then proclaim the perseverance / preservation of osas as a standard.

Their answer - Once you are born of God, you can't be unborn of God.

IOW there is a dual responsibility - God and man.

Once man chooses to believe, God takes over (so to speak) and gives regeneration.

HankD

 

[agedman]

Therefore

Their answer - Once you are born of God, you can't be unborn of God.

IOW there is a dual responsibility - God and man.

Once man chooses to believe God takes over (so to speak) and gives regeneration.

HankD

Such thinking violates that Scripture that states it is NOT by the will of man.

And that Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ is the author and completer of faith.

 

[HankD]

Hank is a balanced Christian, neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist, yet both. He's not willing to take a position, but never against the Arminian side, for some reason. . .

Because they consistently seem to take the verbal beating here at the BB.

I like to be compassionate towards the underdog.

HankD

 

[HankD]

Therefore

Such thinking violates that Scripture that states it is NOT by the will of man.

And that Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ is the author and completer of faith.

What about in the middle?

HankD

 

[thatbrian]

Their answer - Once you are born of God, you can't be unborn of God.

IOW there is a dual responsibility - God and man.

Once man chooses to believe, God takes over (so to speak) and gives regeneration.

HankD

Hank just defined synergism for us.

 

[thatbrian]

Because they consistently seem to take the verbal beating here at the BB.

I like to be compassionate towards the underdog.

HankD

You and NFL fans.

 

[agedman]

What about in the middle?

HankD

Middle?

The middle of the broad way is still leading to destruction.

There is no middle in the narrow pathway, that single lane trail to life.