God Loved the World (fallen mankind) in this way...

Who preached (foreseeing is a better translation in my view) the Gospel?

Scripture.

Correct. Because God promised to bless all families of the earth through him, he knew that this meant through his descendants. So he knew God would have to resurrect Isaac because God cannot lie, and does not renege on His promises.

Praise God.

But, Abraham, and Israel, saw fulfillment in physical terms, which is not excluded from the Promises of GOd, but was not what was fulfilled when Christ came. Here is an example of the Disciples of Christ still having a physical expectation on the Day of Ascension:


Acts 1:4-7
King James Version (KJV)

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Never ceases to amaze me, lol. They have just been told they are going to be Baptized with the Holy Ghost, and they're concerned about the physical Kingdom promised by God.

Well, would have been necessary in the case of Isaac, had he been sacrificed.

But praise God, He provided Himself a Lamb...

The Gospel of Jesus Christ simply wasn't revealed in the Age of Law, or any Age prior to that. And seeing that God did bring them into their own land, and fulfilled some promises, it is not strange for them to think they had "arrived." Aren't we glad that isn't the case?


God bless.

 

Darrell C,

(Quote)Overcoming is being saved through faith in Christ. The Lord is basically saying those who place their faith in me, in the case of Revelation 3:5, never be blotted from the Book of Life.

Amen. Couldn't have said it better.

 

yes, as Jesus has already overcame for us, and when united with Him thru faith, His victory becomes ours also!

 

We are NOT infused by God with righteousness, but God declares that in Christ we are already fully perfect as to keeping the Law!

 

The Spirit Himself uses the message of the Lord Jesus to enable those chosen to get saved to now become saved.

 

So show how a context of imputed righteousness does not correlate to these...

The righteousness in view is not that of the one said to be righteous, it is imputed to them based on faith.

Either address them or stop reiterating your view. This is a discussion forum, after all. So lets discuss it. SHow why the above is one "being made righteous," not being imputed righteousness.


God bless.

 

I agree, but even worse, refusing to address assertions with citations.

Even worse, then reiterating the same assertion, which itself has had not Scriptural citation.




God bless.

 

This victory is ascribed to those born of God through faith in Christ, which should not be equated with the Victory of Christ.

Christ alone obtained Eternal Redemption for us. We simply benefit from what He did.


God bless.

 

Just saying it is false doesn't help me to know why it is false, Van. That is why asked, and ask...for you to address those passages in the context they are given (that of showing that righteousness is imputed).

Now you want me to address your proof text, which I am not even arguing against. I know we are "made righteous," but that is irrelevant to what we are discussing, because the focus is on your assertion that we are not declared righteous, or in other words, righteousness is not imputed.

I have given you passages, citations, lol, that show righteousness is very much imputed, which is the Positional Sanctification of the believers, not the Progressive Sanctification of the believer. And the imputation of righteousness is essentially the same issue of being "made righteous."

Now, if you want to say you are righteous, great, but don't expect me to embrace that. No man is, in and of himself, righteous according to the standard of God, not while remaining in fallen flesh, which I am assuming is something you and I both hold in common. If I am wrong about that too, well, you can straighten me out on it.




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Not even relevant to what I said.

The point is that it is God's righteousness upon and unto all who believe.

Nothing in what I say implies we are discussing believers prior to salvation.

Not really, you didn't. Because you aren't even addressing the focus of my point.

Not sure how you can possibly say that. Especially when you haven't addressed any of my points or "citations."

So why don't you take one of the verses I gave and show why, as asked of you, it does not teach imputed righteousness.

Anyone can present reasonable arguments if they are the ones setting the goalposts. I'm not interested in arguing about something I too believe, which is that men are made righteous. What I am interested in is you showing me why the passages presented don't show imputed righteousness.

Nevertheless, I will discuss the verse you want to look at, I don't have a problem with that. But I ask you return the favor and address one of mine.

And the problem is that point is not even relevant to what we are talking about, Van. You stop right at what I emphasized. THis is what I said:


Romans 3:22
King James Version (KJV)

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


It is still the righteousness of God, Van, which by faith is unto all and upon all...who believe.

It is the same way righteousness was imputed to Abraham, by faith. You will see both points in the following passages:


Did you see the links (and you'll have to go back to the original post, they didn't carry over in the copy)?

The relevant point is that the righteousness in view, whether it is the faith of Christ, or the faith of the believer...

...is unto and upon all.

It is still righteousness attributed to God as His righteousness, not the righteousness of the believer.


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Wrong.

3for we were once — also we — thoughtless, disobedient, led astray, serving desires and pleasures manifold, in malice and envy living, odious — hating one another; 4and when the kindness and the love to men of God our Saviour did appear 5(not by works that [are] in righteousness that we did but according to His kindness,) He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6which He poured upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour, 7that having been declared righteous by His grace, heirs we may become according to the hope of life age-during. 8Stedfast [is] the word; and concerning these things I counsel thee to affirm fully, that they may be thoughtful, to be leading in good works — who have believed God; these are the good and profitable things to men,

 

Agreed. But why are you arguing about this? That is not what we are discussing. We are discussing whether righteousness is imputed to the believer.

Based on your statement...

Semantics.

We are Baptized by Christ with the Holy Ghost.

The "circumcision of Christ" is a result of being immersed into God, just as being born again, a new creature, is. We have a new heart and spirit because He has placed His Spirit within us.

Its the same thing, Van.


God bless.

 

We overcome the world and satan due to Him already having done just that!

 

Its declared by God that we are now saved and in Jesus, not the imputed and co operate to merit salvation that Rome teaches.

 

Our overcoming is likened to His:


Revelation 3:21
King James Version (KJV)

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


I would suggest that the overcoming in view is not declared of us, His overcoming imputed on our behalf, but our overcoming refers to our being saved. So He overcame the world, for example, and that is separate from our own overcoming, which refers to our being saved.


God bless.