Calvinism vs Arminianism? Why either/or? Why not both?

Thanks for finally admitting Classical Arminianism is correct.

 

The other options as you call them are failed theologies

 

Every real believer is a Calvinist, or what is called a 5 pointer. Those like you mention...are confused on one or two points.
Most who say they are non cals are confused mostly on the L, some on the I. We are all learning..

 

I don't know about 4 points. I don't see Classical Arminianism fully harmonizing with Calvinism on any points. Very, Very close on 3. Close on 1. Classical Arminianism not having a definite position on 1.

 

We are all learning...some resist emotionally for awhile.We call them non cals. As bible believers and in prayer they believe just the same as we do.

 

Thank you for being objective HOS....hope you are safe...

 

Hos tried to warn you, free will is your golden calf, study more, then return.
There are many non cal sites, start there...quote them if you must...we will be here to help

 

1. Certainly there can be some element of truth in both ...
2. And certainly one of them is wrong -- if not both.
3. As for the Gospel... there are forms of Calvinism that can NOT preach the 2 Cor 5 Gospel appeal "We BEG you on behalf of Christ be reconciled to God" because they know full well that is an appeal to free will. Arbitrary selection is a very clouded "gospel"

 

false accusation and emotionalism

I prefer the Bible

"We BEG you on behalf of Christ be reconciled to God" 2 Cor 5
"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
"I will draw ALL MANKIND unto Me" John 12:32

Less Calvinism... more Bible please.

 

You actually prefer out of context verses and a works based gospel in the Church you attend.

 

false accusation and emotionalism

I prefer the Bible

"We BEG you on behalf of Christ be reconciled to God" 2 Cor 5
"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
"I will draw ALL MANKIND unto Me" John 12:32

Less Calvinism... more Bible please.

The much-expected appeal to emotionalism

your false accusations merely "quote you" and then add slurs against my church for good emotional measure.

Start by posting facts.

Here's one for you --

When reason vacates in regard to a given subject, the only weapons of argument left are in the hands of emotion. The simplest emotional weapons to wield are name-calling ,disparaging remarks, vitriol and acrimony for those deemed adversaries. All such ad hominem tactics provide nothing of persuasive substance, except to those whose reason has also been vacated on that same subject.

 

Bob...just read the posts of the objectors...decide for yourself. Your "church" is mentioned in a few books on my shelf....
https://www.amazon.com/Four-Major-Cults-Christian-Seventh-day/dp/0802804454

 

He could also make pigs fly. . .

He uses the proclamation of the gospel by men, and He tells us that which is why He gave the Great Commission, and why Paul asks:

[13] For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

[14] How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? [15] And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” (Romans 10:13–15 ESV)​

 

Truth is always worth fighting for.