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Calvinism vs Arminianism? Why either/or? Why not both?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by delizzle, Feb 2, 2018.

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  1. delizzle

    delizzle Active Member

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    Roman Catholics would make the same claim.
     
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    The opinions of atheists on topics they do not understand is nothing compared to the orthodoxy and orthopraxy of believers and the church.

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    That statement is subjective.
     
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    God uses the preaching/teaching of the Gospel as the means by which the Holy Spirit saves out His elect though!
     
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    Many of the atheist I have dealt with understand more about the topics than most Christians.
     
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    Not in how it views Sotierology!
     
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    Except they cannot prove their claims from just the scriptures, as must also add in extra biblical tradition!
     
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    Which post are you responding to?
     
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    The catholic church is not sola scriptura. The church and sacred tradition has authority equal to scripture. So they say. But they did play a huge part in identifying scripture as canon.
     
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    Particular is the correct word for most of them, only a few cane be called reformed and they are those who accept the reformation teaching that the pope is Antichrist. Not only the reformers, but the Hussites, The Lollards, the Waldenses and others all taught that the pope is Antichrist.

    I don't have to follow Calvin, Luther or any other teacher. I just need to follow what the scripture teaches. Apart from many, many other passages that teach the same or add to it
    • 2 Thessalonians 2:13- But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
    • 14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    • 15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
    • 16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
    • 17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
    God chose us from the beginning, (from before the foundation of the world in another place) Then he called us by the preaching of the gospel.
     
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    Not without the eyes to see and ears to hear that only Christ gives.

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    Calvinism fits the theology that Paul wrote down for us much better....
     
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    The one where it was said that TCassidy agreed that Classic Arminianism was true and correct!
     
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    The canon of scripture was already completed and was in full use by that time, so merely agreed with what was already commonly accepted s being inspired of God!
     
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    Agreed. From my experience, the barrier for most atheists is not intellectual. It's a barrier of the will. It's not that they simply don't believe in God, they don't want to believe in God regardless of evidence. In all fairness, this is evidence that supports the doctrine of total depravity.
     
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    This is so huge a point that it must be repeated. At the end of the day, the non-Cal's assurance is as fragile as a spider web because it rests on himself and his actions.

    Lovely picture.
     
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    A poor excuse for their rebellion against God.
     
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    So what? Catholics also believe in the Trinity. Does that make the Trinity false doctrine?
     
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    You have no argument with me on that one.
     
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    That's not what I said. In fact, it didn't really make any sense.
     
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