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Did Billy Graham do More Harm Than Good to the Church?
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BobRyan
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Where do you see it diverge?
Billy Graham was a great man of God. He did more to advance The Kingdom than you ever will. He was not perfect because he is not Jesus Christ. He was not a Calvinist so it is a given that you hate him.
Are you familiar with what he taught, or do you make such a comment from ignorance?
What do you mean by "great"? Is Joel Osteen great? He has quite a following. . .
I hate no man. What I hate, like the Apostle Paul and Christ before him, is the perversion of the gospel.
I am aware of what he taught. I am aware of snippets that were pulled out of context. I am aware of things he said in his latter years after it was obvious that his mental capacity had diminished. I don't strongly disagree with anything he said before age 90, when that statement is in its full context.
Out of context? I let him speak for himself. Please provide the context.
Billy was a Universalist; therefore, not a Christian, by definition.
He was not a Universalist.
I am glad you put yourself on record as saying he was not a Christian. Speaks volumes about you.
You obviously haven't watched the video.
What are these "volumes" you keep speaking of? Also, are you aware of what Billy said, or do you just enjoy speaking from ignorance?
Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.
Schuller: What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?
Graham: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.
Schuller: [R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
Graham: There is. There definitely is.
Television interview of Dr. Graham by Dr. Schuller continued: Part II was broadcast on Sunday, June 8. The following is an accurate transcription of a segment.*
Schuller: You knew ... Fulton Sheen. You knew these men. Your comments on both of these men [Fulton Sheen and Norman V. Peale].
Graham: The primary way of communicating is to live the life, let people see that you're living what you proclaim.... [comments on his friendship and conversations with Fulton Sheen] I lost a very dear friend, and since that time, the whole relationship between me and my work, and you and your work, and the Roman Catholic Church has changed. They open their arms to welcome us and we have the support of the Catholic Church almost everywhere we go. And I think that we must come to the place where we keep our eyes on Jesus Christ, not on what denomination or what church or what group we belong to.
Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.
Schuller: What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?
Graham: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.
Schuller: [R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
Graham: There is. There definitely is.
Television interview of Dr. Graham by Dr. Schuller continued: Part II was broadcast on Sunday, June 8. The following is an accurate transcription of a segment.*
Schuller: You knew ... Fulton Sheen. You knew these men. Your comments on both of these men [Fulton Sheen and Norman V. Peale].
Graham: The primary way of communicating is to live the life, let people see that you're living what you proclaim.... [comments on his friendship and conversations with Fulton Sheen] I lost a very dear friend, and since that time, the whole relationship between me and my work, and you and your work, and the Roman Catholic Church has changed. They open their arms to welcome us and we have the support of the Catholic Church almost everywhere we go. And I think that we must come to the place where we keep our eyes on Jesus Christ, not on what denomination or what church or what group we belong to.
Of all the messages, sermons, I've heard from Billy Graham, I've always heard the death and Resurrection of Christ alone for the forgiveness of Sin and peace with God.
This clip sounds a bit off, but from what I have heard, he's usually a decent evangelist.
This clip sounds a bit off, but from what I have heard, he's usually a decent evangelist.
Yes. Amen. I agree. God uses flawed men to do His work. But, does He use ones who proclaim a false gospel in such a manner?
Do you think that is what distinguishes him from a pastor/teacher?
I've posted a video in which he claims that there are many roads. What do you think of it?
I think it best that I leave the judgment of Billy Graham up to God... He was a sinner just like me and has a Savior just like me... Rest In Peace... Billy Graham!... Brother Glen
You posted it in another thread. I think it was very late in his life. It was at a time he did not convey his thoughts as well as he did when he was younger. It is out of full context of what he believed. He talked in detail about this on other occasions. His umbrella is broader than mine, but he was by no means a Universalist.
What did you think about my link?
I think that he expressed what he always believed. If given enough time to speak the true thoughts of a man will come out.
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