Original Sin Again

But you give no reason for anyone to think what you say is based on the Bible, brother. That is why I keep exhorting you to begin presenting Scriptural Basis for your assertions.

No-one wants to hear opinions, they want to know what Scripture teaches.


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And that is a great example: Christ was hungered yet it in no way led to his yielding to it, that it affect His Ministry.

I see the Lord more like Sherlock Holmes, who said "women are not entirely to be trusted," lol. Christ, knowing what was in man (and woman), would certainly have known better...




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I would like to just clarify this is given in humor only. I trust my wife explicitly and do not doubt her integrity in the least, and count myself as blessed of God to have her as my wife. I often ask her what she did that caused the Lord to give her me...

Incidentally, I don't think Sherlock Holmes ever said what I quoted above in the books, only in a movie, which was loosely based on the character. While he didn't have an interest in having a relationship with women (because he was devoted to intellectual pursuits), he did have an admiration for one exceptional woman, Irene Adler, who pulled the wool over his eyes, thus gaining his respect.


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Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

How was God going to accomplish, that in bold, had that underlined, not taken place.?

 

An interesting issue.

Here's a verse to stir up discussion:


2 Corinthians 1
King James Version (KJV)

4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.


What "sufferings" of Christ would we think he is speaking about?

Here it would seem that persecution based on doctrine is in view. Yet Christ did not suffer persecution of a physical nature until taken.

Could you post Scripture that shows a suffering or struggling between the flesh and the Spirit?


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We had the same nature as Adam but we did not get it from Adam or because of Adam. We suffer from Adam's sin effect on the physical world..

 

David was saying he was in iniquity at conception, not because of inception

 

Does Psalms 51:5 say, conception itself, is sin and that you are brought forth in that sin?

 

Adam was a public person or a Covenant head. In the Covenant of Works, he transacted not only for himself and Eve, but also for his seed and his doom was also theirs. ‘For as in Adam, all die…..’ (1Cor 15:22 ). His sin is imputed to his progeny. ‘For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners…….’ (Rom 5:19 ). The idea of a Covenant or representative head is not as strange as one might think. The head of a business makes deals and transactions on behalf of the whole corporation. A politician signs treaties that are binding upon the whole population of the country. If the Prime Minister of Great Britain were to declare war upon France, all Britons would be at war whether we approved of it or not, and if we were to meet a Frenchman with a gun, he might well feel justified in shooting us!

So it is that mankind can be described as having a bad record and a bad reputation. Not only are we constituted sinners by our covenant association with Adam, but we are sinners in our own selves. We have inherited Adam’s fallen nature. ‘And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth’ (Gen 5:3 ). Whereas Adam had been created in the image of the perfect and holy God, each of us is born with the sinful nature of fallen Adam. ‘That which is born of the flesh is flesh’ (John 3:6 ). ‘Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned’ (Romans 5:12 ). The state of fallen man is desperate, and entirely our own fault. Adam sinned deliberately and so do we. We cannot plead that God’s judgements are unfair and that we should not be blamed for his iniquity. Adam sinned once and fell; fallen man sins many times a day (Rom 3:10-18 ).

Mankind has therefore utterly forfeited and lost all covenant interest in God. He can no longer claim a right in or hope of the promise of eternal life held out in the covenant. At once, he fell under guilt, which was the sentence of his own conscience, seeing himself under the just wrath of God and therefore dreading His approach (Gen 3:8-10 ). We are by nature like cockroaches that scuttle into a dark corner when the light is switched on (John 3:19 ). We are also by nature the children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). Unredeemed mankind has entirely lost its relationship with God. He is incapable of true happiness because he is at enmity with God and alienated from Him. As we have observed, the image of God in him is now wholly defaced. Where first there was the beauty of original righteousness, now there is only filthiness and deformity (Titus 3:3; Psalm 14:1-3 ).

The curse of the covenant is now in effect; man is subject to fear of death and fear of judgement and hell. He has become a debtor instead of a free man. He owes a debt of obedience that he is by no means able to settle- he has sinned infinitely against the infinite love of God and therefore owes infinitely more than he can pay. The curse is also extended to creation. The world has fallen with fallen man; it is God’s righteous judgement that sinful humans shall not live in a perfect world. “Cursed is the ground for your sake; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life” (Gen 3:17. cf. Rom 8:20 ). Man is helpless and without strength in a harsh environment, unable to bring himself before God on a covenant of works and equally unable to bring himself on any other terms. There was no arrangement in the covenant for a second chance. Man is unable to move even one step towards reconciliation with God. The door of repentance was not opened by the Covenant of Works, and even if it had been, there would have been neither the power nor the inclination to enter it.

And yet……….

‘For when we were still without strength, Christ died for the ungodly’ (Rom 5:6 ).

O loving wisdom of our God!
When all was sin and shame,
A second Adam to the fight
And to the rescue came.

[From my blog: The Covenants Part 1. The Covenant of Works ]

 

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