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Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018.

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  1. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

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    Hebrews 3 and 4 talks about those Jews who were disobedient to the Lord, who will not enter His eternal rest. This is spiritual
     
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    We have them due to people wanting to hear theology that makes them feel"blessed", and not be concerned about taking up their Cross!
     
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    Who fits under the "who so ever" though?
     
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    Those who had no real faith in Him!
     
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    and the coldness from the Reformed camp! I know because I have seen this very often over the 35+ years that I have been a believer here in England, and read about it in the USA and elsewhere
     
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    you tell me?
     
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    it does not say that. it very clearly says that they were "disobedient".
     
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    Charles Spurgeon was accused of many thing, but being cold and unconcerned with lost sinners was not one of them!
     
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    Those whom God intended to be saved by the Cross!
     
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    there are always one or two. but this board shows a real hostility to the love and salvation of the Lord for the lost, unelect, so called...
     
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    how do you arrive at this? So the "world" is limited, as is "whosoever"?
     
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    are you of the The Byzantine textform?
     
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    Not hatred or hostility, but a realization that God intends to save some out, so we continue to preach/teach Christ!
     
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    Jesus died for all sinners, but God intended to only have saving grace effectually applied towards His elect in Christ!
     
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    so, Jesus Christ goes to the cross for the sins of the whole human race. But, all along God the Father only intended to save an "elect" from the human race. So, why not just die for them? Why say in His Word, that Jesus died for the entire human race, what exactly was this for then?
     
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    but you are preaching a false Gospel, because God only really intends to save a few, so to tell the whole world that God loves them, is a LIE!
     
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    Critical Greek text, but also see the worth of the Majority/Bzt texts!
     
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    Do you deny that If God intended to have all sinners saved, all would be getting saved?
     
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    Then all Reformed/Calvinist have to be lost, correct?
     
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    It is God's desire to see all repent and are saved, but because He has in His Wisdom, made humans with a free will, as He did the angels, He has given this freedom to humans to accept or reject the Gospel Message for their salvation.
     
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