Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

[Saved-By-Grace]

God rejected those who were jews by physical birth who were faithless in Him, see those lost in 40 years of the wilderness, but God saved and spared those who were really spiritual israel in the OT!

Hebrews 3 and 4 talks about those Jews who were disobedient to the Lord, who will not enter His eternal rest. This is spiritual

 

[Yeshua1]

through duty. Why do you suppose we have the likes of Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Rob Bell, etc, etc? Because the "Reformed" teaching that excluded the majority in their theology, drove these people away from the hard line, love lacking Churches that are thankfully on the decline.

We have them due to people wanting to hear theology that makes them feel"blessed", and not be concerned about taking up their Cross!

 

[Yeshua1]

so WHO does John 3:16, for example include?

Who fits under the "who so ever" though?

 

[Yeshua1]

Hebrews 3 and 4 talks about those Jews who were disobedient to the Lord, who will not enter His eternal rest. This is spiritual

Those who had no real faith in Him!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

We have them due to people wanting to hear theology that makes them feel"blessed", and not be concerned about taking up their Cross!

and the coldness from the Reformed camp! I know because I have seen this very often over the 35+ years that I have been a believer here in England, and read about it in the USA and elsewhere

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Who fits under the "who so ever" though?

you tell me?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Those who had no real faith in Him!

it does not say that. it very clearly says that they were "disobedient".

 

[Yeshua1]

and the coldness from the Reformed camp! I know because I have seen this very often over the 35+ years that I have been a believer here in England, and read about it in the USA and elsewhere

Charles Spurgeon was accused of many thing, but being cold and unconcerned with lost sinners was not one of them!

 

[Yeshua1]

you tell me?

Those whom God intended to be saved by the Cross!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Charles Spurgeon was accused of many thing, but being cold and unconcerned with lost sinners was not one of them!

there are always one or two. but this board shows a real hostility to the love and salvation of the Lord for the lost, unelect, so called...

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Those whom God intended to be saved by the Cross!

how do you arrive at this? So the "world" is limited, as is "whosoever"?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

No. Again, You gotta learn the difference between a text and a manuscript. If not you will not be able to keep up with the discussion.

are you of the The Byzantine textform?

 

[Yeshua1]

there are always one or two. but this board shows a real hostility to the love and salvation of the Lord for the lost, unelect, so called...

Not hatred or hostility, but a realization that God intends to save some out, so we continue to preach/teach Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

how do you arrive at this? So the "world" is limited, as is "whosoever"?

Jesus died for all sinners, but God intended to only have saving grace effectually applied towards His elect in Christ!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Jesus died for all sinners, but God intended to only have saving grace effectually applied towards His elect in Christ!

so, Jesus Christ goes to the cross for the sins of the whole human race. But, all along God the Father only intended to save an "elect" from the human race. So, why not just die for them? Why say in His Word, that Jesus died for the entire human race, what exactly was this for then?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Not hatred or hostility, but a realization that God intends to save some out, so we continue to preach/teach Christ!

but you are preaching a false Gospel, because God only really intends to save a few, so to tell the whole world that God loves them, is a LIE!

 

[Yeshua1]

are you of the The Byzantine textform?

Critical Greek text, but also see the worth of the Majority/Bzt texts!

 

[Yeshua1]

so, Jesus Christ goes to the cross for the sins of the whole human race. But, all along God the Father only intended to save an "elect" from the human race. So, why not just die for them? Why say in His Word, that Jesus died for the entire human race, what exactly was this for then?

Do you deny that If God intended to have all sinners saved, all would be getting saved?

 

[Yeshua1]

but you are preaching a false Gospel, because God only really intends to save a few, so to tell the whole world that God loves them, is a LIE!

Then all Reformed/Calvinist have to be lost, correct?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Do you deny that If God intended to have all sinners saved, all would be getting saved?

It is God's desire to see all repent and are saved, but because He has in His Wisdom, made humans with a free will, as He did the angels, He has given this freedom to humans to accept or reject the Gospel Message for their salvation.