What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

will you be saying that every time Matthew 18 is quoted??

I look forward to it.

 

Romans 6:23 - "the wages of sin is death"
Ezek 18:4 "the soul that sins - it shall die"

Does not mean that after we are saved - we become lost if we commit a single sin.

But you can't expect to use that against Christ's teaching in Matthew 18. you will need another "solution"

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

BTW this is you "making stuff up" for others to believe
Steaver said "Just say you believe you are saved through law keeping"

how sad

 

Every opportunity you give me to teach others

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

This also explains why they cannot understand the parable of the unforgiving servant.

 

Either you are saved by grace through faith, NOT of yourself, or you are saved of yourself forgiving a debtor. Which do you choose?

 

Then we are both grateful for these quotes!? Wonderful news!


Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

BTW this is you "making stuff up" for others to believe
Steaver said "Just say you believe you are saved through law keeping"

 

source of errors and examples. Ignorance x ignorance

note the similarities, no eternal punishment, continuation of Hebrew Law, false doctrine of Christ return , the social remnant of earth

Do you believe Jesus is GOD?

 

Creative writing -- not your strong suit

False.

SDAs - teach a literal hell in a literal lake of fire where literal wicked are "destroyed both body and soul in fiery hell" Matthew 10:28 in literal torment. And that this punishment is final.. and eternal ... no one survives it.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False. Again

The "Baptist Confession of Faith" also admits that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God written on the heart as does every major Christian denomination.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False. Millerites and other early Adventists were the first major movement in the U.S. proclaiming the literal 2nd coming as a pre-millennial event. Now almost everyone knows that is true.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False.

There is no such thing as "social remnant" in SDA doctrine.

Obviously.

Check out the published 28 Fundamental Beliefs

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Your opposition appeals to no Bible understanding at all - you are just listing your own misunderstanding of what the beliefs are... not an actual Bible position on anything in your post.

Your tactic worked well in the dark ages.. not so successful now unless your agenda is to be in the fastest shrinking group.

 

True - but your efforts to twist that into opposition against NT scripture... very very flawed.

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

 

just quoting you admitted posts

Wikipedia

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the largest of several Adventist groups which arose from the Millerite movement of the 1840s in upstate New York, a phase of the Second Great Awakening. William Miller predicted on the basis of Daniel 8:14–16 and the "day-year principle" that Jesus Christ would return to Earth between the spring of 1843 and the spring of 1844. In the summer of 1844, Millerites came to believe that Jesus would return on October 22, 1844, understood to be the biblical Day of Atonement for that year. When this did not happen (an event known as the "Great Disappointment"), most of his followers disbanded and returned to their original churches.

Hiram Edson and other Millerites came to believe that Miller's calculations were correct, but that his interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was flawed as he assumed Christ would come to cleanse the world. These Adventists came to the conviction that Daniel 8:14 foretold Christ's entrance into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary rather than his Second Coming. Over the next few decades this understanding of a sanctuary in heaven developed into the doctrine of the investigative judgment, an eschatological process that commenced in 1844, in which every person would be judged to verify their eligibility for salvation and God's justice will be confirmed before the universe. This group of Adventists continued to believe that Christ's Second Coming would continue to be imminent, however they resisted setting further dates for the event, citing Revelation 10:6, "that there should be time no longer."[14]

As the early Adventist movement consolidated its beliefs, the question of the biblical day of rest and worship was raised. The foremost proponent of Sabbath-keeping among early Adventists was Joseph Bates. Bates was introduced to the Sabbath doctrine through a tract written by Millerite preacher Thomas M. Preble, who in turn had been influenced by Rachel Oakes Preston, a young Seventh Day Baptist. This message was gradually accepted and formed the topic of the first edition of the church publication The Present Truth (now the Adventist Review), which appeared in July 1849.

• Law (fundamental belief 19): the Law of God is "embodied in the Ten Commandments", which continue to be binding upon Christians.

• Conditional immortality (fundamental belief 27): The wicked will not suffer eternal torment in hell, but instead will be permanently destroyed. (See: Conditional immortality, Annihilationism
• Remnant (fundamental belief 13): There will be an end-time remnant who keep the commandments of God and have "the testimony of Jesus".[27] This remnant proclaims the "threeJesy angels' messages" of Revelation 14:6–12 to the world

The Remnant[edit]
Adventists believe the term 'remnant' as found in Revelation 12:17 (Christians who "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus") an appropriate designation of themselves[18] in their work of proclaiming the gospel of Jesus to the world, and inviting people to obey each of the ten commandments of the moral law as a loving response to God's work for them in Jesus Christ.[19][20] Hence, the remnant is an identifiable and visible Christian movement at the end time who are faithful to God, which will be manifest shortly prior to the second coming of Jesus and are sealed.[21]

Are you part of the 144,000?

Since we are aware of you inability you answer straightforwardly. Is Jesus equal as God with the Godhead? Is Jesus created? Is the Holy Spirit God?

Do you agree with this?
Progressive Adventist tend to disagree strongly with the belief that Christ was our example as well as substitute and also of "eschatological perfectionism," the teaching that a final generation of believers must achieve a state of complete sinlessness (or Christlikeness) in the final period just before the second coming of Jesus when the saints are sealed.

 

Creative writing -- not your strong suit

False.

SDAs - teach a literal hell in a literal lake of fire where literal wicked are "destroyed both body and soul in fiery hell" Matthew 10:28 in literal torment. And that this punishment is final.. and eternal ... no one survives it.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False. Again

The "Baptist Confession of Faith" also admits that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God written on the heart as does every major Christian denomination.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False. Millerites and other early Adventists were the first major movement in the U.S. proclaiming the literal 2nd coming as a pre-millennial event. Now almost everyone knows that is true.

Try again. Less creative writing this time.

False.

There is no such thing as "social remnant" in SDA doctrine.

Obviously.

Check out the published 28 Fundamental Beliefs

===========================

Your opposition appeals to no Bible understanding at all - you are just listing your own misunderstanding of what the beliefs are... not an actual Bible position on anything in your post.

Your tactic worked well in the dark ages.. not so successful now unless your agenda is to be in the fastest shrinking group.

Not so far.

But if you were to start quoting me and then responding to what I just said.. .that would be a welcomed change

 

No twisting, it is called proper hermeneutics.

When Scripture emphatically states "ye are saved by grace through faith and this NOT of yourselves", you cannot then read another letter of Scripture and say that it means you are saved OF yourselves by keeping a law of God. That isn't even "twisting", that is flat out causing Scripture/God to contradict Himself. That is what is very, very flawed with your position.

 

I agree that the tiny liberal extremist groups calling themselves " Progressive Adventist " tend to get into the error you mention.

 

True - but your efforts to twist that into opposition against NT scripture... very very flawed.

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

What a happy world that bit of wishful thinking would be - for your POV.

So far your "hermeneutic" is to entirely ignore scripture that debunks your preferences.

It tells the truth. But when you use your own brand of extreme inference to bend and wrench the text all they over into a "bent" opposition to the teaching of Christ Himself in Matthew 18.. well you have a problem that is much easier for us all to see than you seem to have imagined to yourself .

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"

 

You have misunderstood the passage, since it refers to Pentecostal [Acts 1-3 KJB] power of the Holy Ghost, who then came in torrents [Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6]:

Isaiah 44:3 KJB - For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:​

John 7:37-39 KJB is not saying that the Holy Spirit was not given to individuals in the past, such as Joseph, Moses, King Saul, David, Daniel; etc, etc.

Genesis 41:38 KJB - And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

Exodus 31:3 KJB - And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Exodus 35:31 KJB - And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

Numbers 11:17 KJB - And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

Numbers 11:29 KJB - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Numbers 27:18 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him;

1 Samuel 16:13 KJB - Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

Nehemiah 9:20 KJB - Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.

Daniel 4:8 KJB - But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,

Daniel 4:9 KJB - O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Daniel 4:18 KJB - This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.

Daniel 5:11 KJB - There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;

etc...
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Please look again at the texts, for one passage cannot negate another [John 10:35 KJB]. Notice that John 7:38 KJB, says. "... as the scripture hath said ...", which means Jesus was quoting in a specific place about a specific event where the Holy Spirit would be given in torrents ["floods"] ...

Otherwise how could King David ever pray:

Psalms 51:11 KJB - Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
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In order for the Holy Spirit to be taken away [which was a possibility] from King David, the Holy Spirit had to have first been given him, as the Holy Spirit was given to King Saul, changing his heart, so that he became another man.

 

I boast in Christ Jesus, for it is by Him [who gave to me strength, Revelation 12:10-12; Romans 5:6; Philippians 4:13; 2 Corinthians 12:9 KJB], that I may obey Him in His Law, as He is an Eternal King, with an Eternal Government, and an Eternal Throne.

I understand Grace, here is what it does:

Titus 2:11 KJB - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 KJB - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Psalms 119:172 KJB - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
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Titus 2:13 KJB - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Titus 2:14 KJB - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Titus 2:15 KJB - These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
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Christ Jesus died not only as substitute, but lived as example. The power of God's grace, is not license, but power to overcome all iniquity in this present evil world.

2 Timothy 2:1 KJB Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 12:9 KJB - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.​

Read the rest of the chapters, in what that strength of God's grace does. Victory over sin, bring us back into obedience to His perfect will, His Law [Psalms 40:8 KJB]. Adam lost the garden through disobedience, and none shall enter Heaven or the Kingdom in willful knowing disobedience, for God's grace, given in His Son, is never a cloak for disobedience. Christ Jesus is light, and this light always exposes sin [transgression of the Law; 1 John 3:4, which itself is also light]:

Ephesians 5:13 KJB - But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.​

We, as Seventh-day Adventists, do not teach justification by any law, whatsoever:

Galatians 2:16 KJB - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 5:4 KJB - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.​

We, as Seventh-day Adventists, do not teach that righteousness comes by any law whatsoever:

Galatians 2:21 KJB - I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.​

We, as Seventh-day Adventists, do teach that it is by grace through faith, even as Abraham, the friend of God, as was Moses:

Galatians 3:7 KJB - Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

John 8:39 KJB - They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Genesis 26:5 KJB - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 18:19 KJB - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

James 2:23 KJB - And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

John 15:14 KJB - Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:15 KJB - Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:16 KJB - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Acts 5:32 KJB - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.​

Even as Moses was the friend of God:

Exodus 33:11 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
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You would have me [and us] to believe that obedience to God's Law [Exodus 20:1-17 KJB] is really disobedience, that to obey is rather transgression, while you who disobey are in righteousness, you who transgress, in obedience ...

Galatians 3:21 KJB - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
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The Law of God is not against the promises of God.

Therefore as it is written:

Psalms 44:8 KJB - In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.​

Why?

Matthew 1:21 KJB - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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But it is also written of you:

Romans 8:7 KJB - Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.​

Ye are not yet subject in full to Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:16 KJB - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?​

"unto" is the key, by Grace through faith "unto" 'good works', 'rightesouness', etc ... ...

John 6:28 KJB - Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

John 6:29 KJB - Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.​

That living and abiding faith in that which God provided freely, produces ...

 

No misunderstanding necessary. John is perfectly clear he is speaking of the gift of "Living Water" which is eternal life, NOT the Holy Ghost's gifts of power to cause miracles among differing tongues.