Once Saved - once lost ???

I don't see that anywhere in scripture.

 

How do we know who is in error and how is the Lord rebuking and chastening them?

 

Try all the times God accuses Israel adultery.

 

They were to be partakers of the "all things common" pot, and so had made a vow to God to sell their land and bring all the proceeeds to the Apostles. They got cold feet, being tempted by the devil, through covetousness, but their vow to God was still valid, so they tried to do two things, and disembled [lied] to God [the Holy Ghost] and sold the property, pretended to give all the proceeds to the Apostles so that they could still be part of the "all things common" pot, and yet have something in reserve for themselves, while having the respect of the community. It was lack of faith at this point, but more than this, they had vowed to God, and went back on it, and more than this, they pretended to have fulfilled their end of their vow, before God and all men. They tried to keep the world and the world to come at the same time.

Acts 4:32 KJB - And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Acts 4:34 KJB - Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

Acts 4:35 KJB - And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Acts 5:1 KJB - But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

Acts 5:2 KJB - And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Acts 5:3 KJB - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Acts 5:4 KJB - Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Acts 5:8 KJB - And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

Acts 5:9 KJB - Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.​

 

We know from rightly dividing the scripture. I realize everyone will think their brother's church is wrong and not their church and in these cases all we can do is keep our hearts humbly before God until the judgment seat of Christ.

 

Again, it is based in covenantal relationship, a marriage to Christ Jesus, in decision [and thus entering into baptism]:

1 Corinthians 7:15 KJB - "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. ..."
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This was stated on numerous occasions, as it was in the days of Israel the peoples:

Jeremiah 17:5 KJB - Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Deuteronomy 30:16 KJB - In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Deuteronomy 30:17 KJB - But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

Deuteronomy 30:18 KJB - I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

James 1:14 KJB - But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 KJB - Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.​

 

It begins with ourselves:

Matthew 7:3 KJB - And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:4 KJB - Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:5 KJB - Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Luke 18:13 KJB - And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.​

Otherwise, with a beam in our eye, we cannot see to help another, but are blind, attempting to lead other blind.

Jesus is the one who sees [even all things]. He is the Light, and in Him is no darkness at all. The word of God tells us Truth from falsehood, right from wrong, righteousness from unrighteousness. Jesus has no beams in His eyes. He leads us. He is the shepherd. We are to follow Him, and point others to Him and His Way [Psalms 77:13; John 14:6 KJB]. Thus the entire Gospel and plan of redemption in:

John 1:29 KJB - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.​

 

No? Allow me to turn on a light:

Hosea 1:2 KJB - The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.​

Do you see now brother?

 

Ah, yes, Deuteronomy 24:4 KJB, excellent point.

 

Thanks! That's a good one.

 

That was the nation, but God still had his faithful remnant within Israel, chosen out by Him , and saved by election grace!

 

Can anyone who believes in God really believe they can lie to Him and He not know? I find that strange.

 

Exactly! Until death do we part, which is never seeing it is an eternal spiritual marriage in baptism of the Holy Ghost.

 

Oh, ok. So after you get that beam out come see me!

 

Right. But you assume these things are mutually exclusive. This is what you need to prove and not assume.

 

So God is condoning taking whores for wives?

 

One can commit adultery all day long (departing from their wife) and still be married.

 

Again, they had the freedom to do what they did within that relationship.

Jeremiah 3:14 KJB - Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:​

NT:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Ephesians 5:30

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31

This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:32​

Jesus said:

Matthew 5:32 KJB - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:9 KJB - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
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On the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB], It isn't as if Jesus couldn't forgive, or cleanse, but if the other person refuses to be cleansed, ultimately refuses the forgiveness offered by Jesus, and would rather remain with the other than Jesus, He will allow them to leave His hand for that other.

Isaiah 49:18 KJB - Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

Isaiah 61:10 KJB - I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Isaiah 62:4 KJB - Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Isaiah 62:5 KJB - For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

2 Corinthians 11:2 KJB - For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
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There was one who was given time to repent, but she repented not, but noticed that she taught the servants of God to commit fornication:

Revelation 2:20 KJB - Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2:21 KJB - And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation 2:22 KJB - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 2:23 KJB - And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.​

 

This should help you through this Calvinist generated dilemma- conceal a thing

 

The wife of Hosea [Gomer] was an enacted parable in real life. She was an unfaithful wife to Hosea, as Israel was an unfaithful wife unto God, her husband. A wife of whoredoms. But through Hosea's continued seeking to love her, and draw her, she found repentance, and faithfulness and love.

Hosea 2:2 KJB - Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

Hosea 2:5 KJB - For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

Hosea 2:14 KJB - Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.

Hosea 2:16 KJB - And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.

Hosea 2:20 KJB - I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.​

It was a command from God unto Hosea the Prophet. God never commands sin. God commands obedience, righteousness. All of God's commandments are righteousness [Psalms 119:172 KJB], His words pure [Psalms 12:6-7 KJB], and withour error [Deuteronomy 32:4 KJB].

Hosea represents Christ Jesus. We [like they of old], the woman.