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There are Some Who Believe That a Sinner Does Nothing to be Saved

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 31, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    He is most definitely NOT reformed. He is a Particular Baptist, believing in Particular Redemption.
     
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  2. Saved-By-Grace

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    He is not? interesting. A Church I sometimes attend is PR, and yet Reformed. all these labels are too confusing :Cool
     
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    Did the lord die so that a real salvation would come, or that just a potential for salvation came?
     
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    you speak a foreign language here, kindly give interpretation
     
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    God either meant that the death of Jesus brought back a selected elected out group from sinful humanity, or else he intended to make it possible to save all, but no guarantee that any would get saved!
     
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    Was the death of Jesus a propitiation for all sinners than?
     
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    "he intended to make it possible to save all"
     
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    yes, 1 John 2:2 says so :D
     
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    Even though He knew that according to you, it was a real possibility that none could be?
     
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    I never said that!
     
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    My mistake, as I thought that you held to real free will salvation?
     
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    meaning what?
     
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    Saved-By-Grace I am a quasi-Arminian. One of those people who believes He invites all, most go to hell, but cannot fathom the process by which we are in fact saved. Because I am still trying to understand it from the bible. I say that to give you the sense I am not being antagonistic.

    That said, it seems this would have been a far better thread over in the Arminianism vs Calvinism debate forum. Also, as I said earlier, it seems this has been very divisive since all that has been done is to get the Particular Baptists riled up. I hope the reason for discourse is not to argue and further divide people we accept as brothers, sisters, mothers, and elders. But to come to a deeper understanding of your own position, and an understanding of where others that read the Word like us have staked their position and why.
     
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    The OP is about "repentance" which has nothing to do with the Arminianism vs Calvinism debate, which it has been hijacked into! I am a firm believer that we should all be able to defend from the Word what we believe, and do so with love, and not with the purpose of winning an argument. There are some who are so entrenched in their theology, that even when they are shown from the Word to be in error, will still insist they are right. This is true of both sides.
     
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    OK, I can understand that. Yes this was about OSAS first, so yes I see now why this thread could be in this forum. I just felt I needed to offer a word of correction in case you were doing the wrong thing. I know I have before on this forum. Thank you.
     
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    Non Calvinistic, holding to the sinner still has the capability to freely respond and trust in jesus to get saved!
     
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    Here is the entire post #24. The word redemption is never used of Calvin in this quote. It would appear you're being dishonest, at this point. You claimed Calvin accepted universal redemption. I doubt it. It looks like you made this up.

    And I'd really like you to define redemption so I can understand how you are using it.

     
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    Saved-By-Grace,

    Those who oppose truth as you do, get exposed because of the false theological ideas you entertain....it leads to profane ideas such as you express here
    :Cautious what a horrible anti scriptural statement....

    lk1:
    67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

    68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

    No...it is quite actual
    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    You are in way over your head...find your way back to the shallow end of the pool, read and learn before trying again.:Sick:oops::Redface
     
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    Are you actually discrediting the statement in John?

    Do you not know that of all writers, John was always extremely specific in word choice?
     
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    so what do you think Colossians is about? Do you not see the word "redemption" there, and what Calvin says? Before you accuse anyone of being dishonest, get your facts right!

    ἀπολύτρωσις, used in this passage, with the meaning, "redemption by payment of ransom, deliverance" (Liddell and Scott, Geek lexicon); "of deliverance thr. Christ from evil and the consequences of sin" (G Abbott-Smith); "everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin" (J H Thayer)
     
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