North Carolina Council of Churches Pits 2nd Commandment vs. 2nd Amendment

Is it slander to call someone a liar without proof?

slan·der
ˈslandər/
noun
LAW

1. 1.
   the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
   "he is suing the TV network for slander"

 

LOL. I think I’m safe to say I am in zero danger from you.

 

I'm glad you do not feel threatened by me. We are to be harmless as doves.

 

Yup. Not wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

Did Jesus love his enemies while he was whipping them in the temple? If you denied that He did, you would be calling Him a liar. You have no choice but to expand your definition of what love can mean to include a component of justice within it. Otherwise you are saying Jesus is a liar or is self-contradictory.

Moving back to my previous argument. You shifted the grounds of consideration once again. The grounds of consideration were these, and I will spell them out clearly:

Dying for the faith under persecution signals and vivifies messages. Don't fear most those who can harm your body, but He Who is in charge of your soul. Don't value most your material existence, but value more your eternal life.

Does dying as a victim of a random criminal signal and vivify the same messages?

 

What if the Civil Magistrate passes or upholds a law allowing self-defense?

 

Jesus communicated through hyperbole in the Sermon on the Mount. But a slap to the cheek signifies an insult. And notice what Jesus did not say. He did not say, if a criminal cuts your right cheek with a knife, turn your left cheek so that one may also be cut. That would be a grotesque perversion. Is this what you want to make out of it?

Why does there need to be an example of this in the NT? Are you implying that the laws God gave people in the OT were immoral?

Further, are you implying that if the NT does not give us an explicit instruction or example of any given thing, we are to assume Jesus would frown upon it?

 

How do you know God is not working through you to save an innocent bystander, or through a bystander to save you or a loved one? When I have prayed, people have helped. It makes me think God works through people. God doesn't need to directly do everything Himself.

When my son almost drowned in Resurrection Creek in Alaska, immediately after I prayed, a man pulled him out.

What would you have thought the man should do? Pull him out, or pray too?

 

This is coming awfully close to telling every Christian to behave just as certain so-called ministers of God tell abused wives to behave. I have read of one so-called minister instructing wives that they need to be willing to suffer every bit as much at the hands of their husband as Christ suffered when He was crucified.

Would you agree or disagree with this type of advice to a battered Christian wife?

 

I would not tell a wife to remain in an abusive marriage. And abusive husband is an unbeliever or he would not be abusive. Only, if she separates (divorces) to remain single until he dies.

 

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13) (KJV 1900)

We always do what God would have us to do whether we pray or not.

 

But you would tell the Church, the Bride of Christ for whom Christ died on the cross, that she is called to be a battered wife at the hands of the world, or else Christ will divorce her.

Would you divorce your wife if she learned karate to defend herself from attacks or if she sought any type of legal justice after being beat up, raped or robbed?

 

Why did Jesus tell Peter (us) to put away the sword when Peter used it for self defense?

“But Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord.” (Numbers 26:61) (NET)

 

“In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:” (Ephesians 1:11) (KJV 1900)

 

Does Jesus do this?

 

I like your icon picture. Is that a wolf?

 

Normally, in the NT the Christians ran and hid rather that use violence to defend themselves.

 

It was not for Peter's self defense, and you know it. It would have been a case of Peter fighting the state on behalf of Jesus and doing so to prevent Jesus' fulfillment of his mission in the world. Others have already told you this, including Revmitchell almost right off the bat. But nobody should have to tell you.

For shame if you can't make this simple deduction, yet you have adamant opinions about the topic, and don't listen to others.

Now you are quoting from an OT passage? All this time you have been insisting upon only NT passages. Does this indicate you have changed your mind about the OT in a couple of days' time?

 

No, they stood and died. They did not run and hide. That makes a mockery of the NT to say that Christians ran and hid, in those terms, as a blanket statement. That is a flippant and snide remark.