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The Function of the Law in the New Covenant

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed, May 1, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    God expects us to live as moral people, and that His grace is given to us in the person of the Holy Spirit to enable us to fulfill and walk as we ought to be!
     
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    Is breaking the Moral law of God a sin?
     
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    The Moral law of God is eternal though, correct?
     
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    So, are you in agreement with the 1689 LBC or do you take exception to it in regards to the moral law? Pieters is an accomplished theologian but he is only one voice. The point I am trying to make is that the whole of Reformed theology has always held to a moral law; codefied in the Decalogue and republished (or reaffirmed) under the New Covenant.

    When I wrote earlier about the abrogation of the moral law being a hallmark of NCT (New Covenant Theology) you responding by saying you have not looked into NCT for a while. NCT's antinomianism places it solidly outside of Reformed thought. My challenge to you is to decide whether you agree with the 1689 and the majority of Reformed theologians throughout history or whether you depart with them on this issue. I am not judging you, I am simply encouraging you to be consistent.

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    Morals shift with Society, Culture, time, etc....

    God showed us Righteousness, not morals.
     
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    I don't believe any denomination has all of the truth. And I see faults in the creeds and theologies I use most. I draw from the Reformed, the Baptists, the Mennonites, and perhaps a few others. Because each comes closer to the truth in different ways.
     
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    He requires Obedience to His Spirit and the Word. Do you keep the Sabbath Holy? No, my life is not governed by the Ten commandments...It is Governed by His Holy Spirit. I do not have to "Try" to "Not break God's Law." I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand? The Letter Kills, but the Spirit Gives Life--the Life of Christ lived through me.
     
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    Only the Two Great Commandments. These supported the Ten that are now abolished as being the Old Covenant. But they serve the New Covenant as commentary and instruction in righteousness.
     
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    LOL--show me the "moral law of God" in Scripture. Going against God's Character demonstrated in His Word is Sin. If being Kind is Godly, and i Murder my neighbor, Yes i've sinned. If being compassionate is Godly and i'm uncompassionate, i've Sinned.
     
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    Also, whatever is not done in faith, is sin. Also, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, that's sin. @Yeshua1
     
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    So the Moral standards of God shift to accommodate society and us?
     
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    It is not that we keep the law of God in order to get saved, or kept saved, but that when we are walking in Christ and relying upoojn the Holy Spirit, that we shall indeed keep the moral aspects of the scriptures as god intended us to do!
     
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    Is it sin to not obey the revealed Moral law of God?
     
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    what moral standards? God works in terms of Righteousness, not moral standards.
     
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    All depends on context, for if i refuse to address to a gay person that God standards are for him to have a better life than what he now as, by submitting to Christ, but I choose to stay quiet, is that really showing Him the love of Christ?
     
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    The function of the Law in the Old Covenant was the same as the function of the Law in the New Covenant.

    In the Old Covenant the Law never saved anyone. It showed the people where they were wrong. This drove them to the sacrifices which were a shadow and type of the Sacrifice of Christ, yet to happen in time, which was their salvation. Then they went right back to the Law for regulation.

    In the New Covenant the Law does not save. The Law shows us where we are wrong and drives us to Christ for salvation Who then directs us right back to the Law for regulation.
     
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    Except the NT Apostles, under inspiration of the Spirit, choose to have us under 9, not 2 of them!
     
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    I do not think you understand. Pharisees obeyed the "Moral Standard of God's Law" with wrong motivation. It's sin to not live out Righteousness.
     
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    Yes, but he law also reveals to us the Moral stardards of a Holy God, and that we should still seek to obey Him in those areas addressed.
     
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    How do we even know than what would be a good work of righteousness, apart from the revealed Moral standards of God to compare the works to and against?
     
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