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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Jul 5, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    that type of free will went away after the fall of Adam!
     
    #61 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    Natural man and lost sinner same thing!
     
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    Your statements are only Calvinism

    If you say Grace is limited it follows the birth of Faith is too.

    But just as Jesus said Come into me All ye that are heavy laden , if Grave is offered to all then faith to accept Grace is too

    Grace to accept God's pardon is offered to All who need it.
    We are all condemned, so all need it

    Are we all Condemned already?
     
    #63 loDebar, Jul 9, 2018
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    We are spiritual dead in our sins, so how does a dead person respond to anything?
     
    #65 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    I see you didn't answer the question.

    Is the natural man unable to understand the gospel?
    Or does Satan need to blind the natural man so they can't understand the gospel?
    Or is it both? (Though I don't see why a dead man needs to be blindfolded to prevent him from seeing.)

    No.

    Do you like building strawmen arguments?

    Both are true. However, that verse in 2 Cor 2:14 is written to believers about weightier matters of the Spirit, not about understanding the gospel. Look at the verse in its context.
     
    #66 InTheLight, Jul 9, 2018
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    The natural man is spiritually dead.
    The lost are spiritually alive but lost
    God does not send One to hell without giving a chance to be saved.



    " confirmed to The image of His son" then called , then justified, .....

    We were dead in sins but God quicked us
     
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    They are NO scriptures that support you on this, as natural man is the Lost man, a sinner!
     
    #68 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    Then how can the natural man become saved without becoming spiritual aware?
    How can one get the spirit without having the spirit?

    That is the logic of regeneration a made up separate step , entirely added to scripture
     
    #69 loDebar, Jul 9, 2018
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    They cannot do anything, apart from the the Holy Spirit coming to them to enable them to be able to place faith ion jesus to get saved!
     
    #70 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    That rules out the natural man who cannot know the work of the Holy Spirit . Spiritually discerned
     
    #71 loDebar, Jul 9, 2018
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    He can, if he has been chosen and elected out by God!
     
    #72 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    Bible says he can't, you say he can

    I going to go with scripture
     
    #73 loDebar, Jul 9, 2018
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    Which scripture are you using?
    Mine is taken from Ephesians Chapter 2, where is yours from?
     
    #74 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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    I see your clarification was as equivocal as your original comment. Confused
     
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    I don't know. How can dead men walk?

    Sure, sure.

    You asked:
    Are you advocating that I should be taking a sharpie to one of these two verses because they can’t both be true?

    I answer:
    No.

    That is being equivocal, I guess. All-righty then...

    Got a new definition for the Calvinist's dictionary:
    Equivocal: Answering a question 'yes' or 'no'.
     
    #76 InTheLight, Jul 9, 2018
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    Walking involves physical activity, not a spiritual one!
     
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    ... I said: "If you are attempting to make a point, I must confess that I just don’t see it. All I see is an attempt to fight one scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen man (dead) with another scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen men (blind)."
     
    #78 atpollard, Jul 9, 2018
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    1 Cor 2 14

    The natural man cannot know spiritual
     
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    Yes, paul is saying that unless and until the Holy Spirit does his work to save them, they stay deaf and dumb to things of God!
     
    #80 Yeshua1, Jul 9, 2018
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