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Yeshua1

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loDebar said:
The natural man is not the lost, they are without the ability to understand spiritual things, the lost can understand spiritual.matters but have not accept Christ.
The verse says this plainly .
I mentioned this earlier.
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Natural man and lost sinner same thing!
 
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loDebar

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atpollard said:
Spare me the attacks on Calvinism because Calvinism has nothing to do with YOUR claim that God gives Faith to ALL and my repeated request for Biblical support for your claim ...

Where does scripture say that Faith is given to ALL?
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Your statements are only Calvinism

If you say Grace is limited it follows the birth of Faith is too.

But just as Jesus said Come into me All ye that are heavy laden , if Grave is offered to all then faith to accept Grace is too

Grace to accept God's pardon is offered to All who need it.
We are all condemned, so all need it

Are we all Condemned already?
 
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atpollard said:
If you are attempting to make a point, I must confess that I just don’t see it. All I see is an attempt to fight one scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen man (dead) with another scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen men (blind).
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I see you didn't answer the question.

Is the natural man unable to understand the gospel?
Or does Satan need to blind the natural man so they can't understand the gospel?
Or is it both? (Though I don't see why a dead man needs to be blindfolded to prevent him from seeing.)

Are you advocating that I should be taking a sharpie to one of these two verses because they can’t both be true?
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No.

Do you like building strawmen arguments?

What about these verses, are they safe to believe?
  • [Mat 13:4, 19 NIV] 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. ... 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
  • [Mar 4:4, 15 NIV] 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. ... 15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
  • [1Co 2:14 NIV] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
They also seem to say that some hearers either have the word snatched from them (by Satan) or they cannot understand the word except as foolishness.
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Both are true. However, that verse in 2 Cor 2:14 is written to believers about weightier matters of the Spirit, not about understanding the gospel. Look at the verse in its context.
 
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loDebar

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Yeshua1 said:
We are spiritual dead in our sins, so how does a dead person respond to anything?
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The natural man is spiritually dead.
The lost are spiritually alive but lost
God does not send One to hell without giving a chance to be saved.



" confirmed to The image of His son" then called , then justified, .....

We were dead in sins but God quicked us
 
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loDebar said:
The natural man is spiritually dead.
The lost are spiritually alive but lost
God does not send One to hell without giving a chance to be saved.



" confirmed to The image of His son" then called , then justified, .....
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They are NO scriptures that support you on this, as natural man is the Lost man, a sinner!
 
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loDebar

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Then how can the natural man become saved without becoming spiritual aware?
How can one get the spirit without having the spirit?

That is the logic of regeneration a made up separate step , entirely added to scripture
 
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Yeshua1

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loDebar said:
Then how can the natural man become saved without becoming spiritual aware?
How can one get the spirit without having the spirit?

That is the logic of regeneration a made up separate step , entirely added to scripture
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They cannot do anything, apart from the the Holy Spirit coming to them to enable them to be able to place faith ion jesus to get saved!
 
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loDebar

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That rules out the natural man who cannot know the work of the Holy Spirit . Spiritually discerned
 
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Yeshua1 said:
We are spiritual dead in our sins, so how does a dead person respond to anything?
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I don't know. How can dead men walk?
atpollard said:
I see your clarification was as equivocal as your original comment. Confused
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Sure, sure.

You asked:
Are you advocating that I should be taking a sharpie to one of these two verses because they can’t both be true?

I answer:
No.

That is being equivocal, I guess. All-righty then...

Got a new definition for the Calvinist's dictionary:
Equivocal: Answering a question 'yes' or 'no'.
 
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Yeshua1

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InTheLight said:
I don't know. How can dead men walk?



Sure, sure.

You asked:
Are you advocating that I should be taking a sharpie to one of these two verses because they can’t both be true?

I answer:
No.

That is being equivocal, I guess. All-righty then...

Got a new definition for the Calvinist's dictionary:
Equivocal: Answering a question 'yes' or 'no'.
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Walking involves physical activity, not a spiritual one!
 
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InTheLight said:
Sure, sure.

You asked:
Are you advocating that I should be taking a sharpie to one of these two verses because they can’t both be true?

I answer:
No.

That is being equivocal, I guess. All-righty then...
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... I said: "If you are attempting to make a point, I must confess that I just don’t see it. All I see is an attempt to fight one scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen man (dead) with another scriptural metaphor for the natural condition of fallen men (blind)."
 
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