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Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Mikey, Aug 2, 2018.

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  1. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

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    Because He can.
    That's what makes Him God.

    He saves, and He damns...we sinned, and we messed up. He chooses to pardon some to show His mercy, and to condemn the rest to death to show His power.
    It's completely just, yet it seems to offend you.

    The Bible teaches it.


    This is my last post...
    Best wishes sir.
     
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    They are His and He is free to do with His creation what ever He feels like.

    :all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” Dan 4:35


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    Spurgeon was Particular? They limit Christ's work why? Different degree of the same basic error
     
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    we have choices.

    Jos 24:15

    And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, chooseyou this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

    Peace
     
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    and free to give a choice to sinners, Behold I stand at the door and knock.... waiting on an invitation to eneter
     
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    Can you resist it, then no choice, neither can a robot
     
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    Does a robot make a conscious choice out of his or her own desire? Nope. Not even close to the same thing.

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    What do you mean? The atonement or pardon still applies even though the Gospel is rejected?
     
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    you are not elected by your desire by God's choice, per TULIP
     
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    The atonement is limited because if Christ died for everyone's sin....then it is propitiated. It is forgiven....God's wrath is appealed. No one can be sent to Hell and punished, because Jesus already received that punishment. Then everyone must be saved. Spurgeon knew this. He knew it could not be that way. Besides.....Jesus said He lays His life down for His sheep. Doesn't say anything about the goats.

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    The atonement only applied to one of the soils. It was limited. The preaching is not

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    Yes. Election is selection. You do not elect youself. God does the selection. However it is the regenerated man's will to follow Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is nothing else he rather choose.

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    If His atonement is limited, He is not God. God does not have limits
     
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    So He saves everyone?

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    Limited atonement is and insult to the blood of Christ
     
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    Someone called our TC evil?... There is no doubt in my mind it must be a newbie, that hasn't seen his gun collection... Brother Glen:D
     
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    His death pardons ALL sin, we have to accept the pardon. Some don't
     
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    If Christ died for all it is unlimited atonement.
     
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    Does God know who will choose Him?

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    yes, just as He knew Satan would sin
     
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