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Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

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Dave G

Dave G

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loDebar said:
If God doesn't want robots why would he elect us without our input?
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Because He can.
That's what makes Him God.

He saves, and He damns...we sinned, and we messed up. He chooses to pardon some to show His mercy, and to condemn the rest to death to show His power.
It's completely just, yet it seems to offend you.

The Bible teaches it.


This is my last post...
Best wishes sir.
 
McCree79

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loDebar said:
Eze 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Why have have Jesus die if God chooses the elect?
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They are His and He is free to do with His creation what ever He feels like.

:all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” Dan 4:35


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loDebar

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Dave Gilbert said:
Because He can.
That's what makes Him God.

He saves, and He damns...we sinned, and we messed up. He chooses to pardon some to show His mercy, and to condemn the rest to death to show His power.
It's completely just, yet it seems to offend you.

The Bible teaches it.


This is my last post...
Best wishes sir.
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we have choices.

Jos 24:15

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, chooseyou this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Peace
 
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loDebar

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McCree79 said:
They are His and He is free to do with His creation what ever He feels like.

:all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” Dan 4:35


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and free to give a choice to sinners, Behold I stand at the door and knock.... waiting on an invitation to eneter
 
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loDebar

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McCree79 said:
That is not what you said. You claimed it teaches we are robots. Irresistable grace just changes our inclination. We choose God out of desire ......desire He has given us.

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Can you resist it, then no choice, neither can a robot
 
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McCree79 said:
The scope of preaching is not the same as the scope of atonement. It was the gospel rejected, not the atonement.

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What do you mean? The atonement or pardon still applies even though the Gospel is rejected?
 
McCree79

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loDebar said:
Spurgeon was Particular? They limit Christ's work why? Different degree of the same basic error
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The atonement is limited because if Christ died for everyone's sin....then it is propitiated. It is forgiven....God's wrath is appealed. No one can be sent to Hell and punished, because Jesus already received that punishment. Then everyone must be saved. Spurgeon knew this. He knew it could not be that way. Besides.....Jesus said He lays His life down for His sheep. Doesn't say anything about the goats.

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McCree79

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loDebar said:
What do you mean? The atonement or pardon still applies even though the Gospel is rejected?
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The atonement only applied to one of the soils. It was limited. The preaching is not

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McCree79

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loDebar said:
you are not elected by your desire by God's choice, per TULIP
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Yes. Election is selection. You do not elect youself. God does the selection. However it is the regenerated man's will to follow Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is nothing else he rather choose.

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McCree79 said:
The atonement is limited because if Christ died for everyone's sin....then it is propitiated. It is forgiven....God's wrath is appealed. No one can be sent to Hell and punished, because Jesus already received that punishment. Then everyone must be saved. Spurgeon knew this. He knew it could not be that way. Besides.....Jesus said He lays His life down for His sheep. Doesn't say anything about the goats.

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If His atonement is limited, He is not God. God does not have limits
 
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loDebar

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McCree79 said:
The atonement is limited because if Christ died for everyone's sin....then it is propitiated. It is forgiven....God's wrath is appealed. No one can be sent to Hell and punished, because Jesus already received that punishment. Then everyone must be saved. Spurgeon knew this. He knew it could not be that way. Besides.....Jesus said He lays His life down for His sheep. Doesn't say anything about the goats.

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If Christ died for all it is unlimited atonement.
 
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