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Thinkingstuff said: Based on your questions it seems you want to jump topics once again!

The topic has been salvation ever since I asked the question about......wait for it....Salvation.

Thinkingstuff said: Your initial question was a simple one. "Can a Catholic tell me how to be saved" I answered that question directly and simply. "Yes believe on the Lord Jesus and do what he says."

Thinkingstuff said: You then say "that is not good enough" Totally, disregarding whether the statement was true or not, or even valid.

Correct, the statement is found very lacking and actually is either a dodge or just simply you do not know the answer. How could it be "good enough"? Example, I read this from Jesus, "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:" Thus, from what read Jesus says to do, millions would have to be cutting off their hands and feet if they want to be saved, unless you are able to expound what the RCC (Phillip) considers "doing what Jesus says to do". Which is what I have been asking you to do, but you don't seem to know how to defend your answer. Now this is odd, since I have had Catholics point to the Ethiopian and Phillip exchange as proof the RCC is needed to explain anything Jesus said.

Thinkingstuff said: That makes me believe you don't really want the Catholic answer .

Really? I have been asking for the Catholic answer! I am representing the poor soul Ethiopian and you can't help me understand what I am reading! You just say "do what Jesus said to do". If I do that without the Catholic Church's guidance I will be chopping off my hands and feet! Because I do want life!

Thinkingstuff said: I responded that what Jesus said was pretty clear and didn't need any explanation but then asked what you thought he meant.

Is that what Phillip told the Ethiopian? 'Well it's pretty clear isn't it, what do you think it says'. 'Just eat His flesh and drink His blood, what is so difficult to understand?! '

Thinkingstuff said: Now you are bringing up another topic by saying "I only have the scripture I need a Catholic to tell me."

Lol. Another topic? This whole exchange is on the sole topic of how do Catholics answer the question of "what must i do to be saved?" Catholics say the Scripture is not sufficient for one to understand doctrine. So yes I do need the Catholic answers.

Thinkingstuff said: Ok. Using only scripture (which Catholics also use) explain to me what Jesus said. I gave you also scripture reference passages to help you. See, I don't think you really want to know.

This is classic! Catholics point to the Ethiopian and Phillip example as to why the RCC is necessary for understanding doctrines and you as a Catholic are telling me, representing the poor lost soul seeking salvation, to explain Scripture to you, or else he really doesn't want to know. It's not about me trying to get saved here. This is about the Catholic answer to the question to the lost soul who says, "what must I do to be saved?".

Thinkingstuff said: That is not productive. Ask the real questions you want to really address. Speak directly.

Lol. I am exactly where you have led us. All of my questions have been on the topic of salvation. You presented a partial list of things you said that Jesus said one must do to be saved. One was eat His flesh and drink His blood. The Ethiopian needs the Catholic understanding. How can he eat Jesus flesh and drink His blood? Does He need to find Jesus, kill Him, and eat and drink? The floor is yours, these are your replies, explain them Phillip!

As we can see, this dialogue has produced light on just how everyday Catholics respond to the basic question of salvation. We have at least three Catholics responding on here and the answers to this question are all over the map. Everything from living homeless, to just love people, to eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood. Yet they insist Christians need to seek the RCC where doctrine is spoken of in one voice!

 

We have made it this far:

The Question: What is the Catholic response to "what must I do to be saved?"

The Catholic Answer: "Believe on the Lord Jesus and do what he says."

Partial list have been given from Catholics, everything from living homeless, to just love people, to eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood. Yet they insist Christians need to seek the RCC where doctrine is spoken of in one voice!

 

I asked you the Catholic answer to the question "what must I do to be saved?" Your Catholic answer has led us to a list you gave...which you said was a partial list.

All of these must be understood through Catholic interpretation, correct? Could you explain each one as it applies to the question any lost soul might ask of you, "what I must do to be saved? " Let's just pick one, Jn 6:53, for the lost soul who wants to be saved, explain to him how he is to do what Jesus said to do here in order to be saved.

Act 8:30
And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

 

Have you sold everything yet and are living homeless? Or don't we have to obey this one to be saved?

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

 

Allow me to give you as complete an answer as possible, and if you need more clarity with any answer I give, please continue to ask questions until you feel satisfied the question has been fully answered.

Here is the question under review: If a lost soul would ask you, "what must I do to be saved?", what would your answer be?

My answer would be: Believe the testimony God gave of His Son Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ died for your sins, laying down His life on a Roman cross, shedding His blood for the sins of the whole world, that God raised Him again to life on the third day. Believe this with your heart and confess this is truth with thy mouth and ye shall be saved.

Now you, representing the lost soul which asked the question, may ask followup questions if you do not find the answer is sufficient for your salvation.

 

I don't know, Adonia said that homelessness is necessary for salvation? Thinkingstuff said doing what Jesus said to do is necessary for salvation. Seems you Catholics cannot get together on just what one must do to be saved.

 

Tell any of your Catholic friends here that hearing the gospel message that Jesus is the Christ, is the Son of God, and rejecting this message is not necessary for salvation and see if they will just laugh at you! You are proof here that Catholics do not agree on salvation.

 

I actually believe your position best represents the Catholic pov....No need to believe on Jesus Christ, just love God your own way and do some good deeds. Other Catholics here are dancing around this, but I bet they agree with you. Let's ask them! All Catholics here, do you agree with Utilyan that a person can reject Jesus is the Son of God and still be saved by their love for God and others?