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Featured The Nature of the Church, OT and NT

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by John of Japan, Sep 19, 2018.

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  1. John of Japan

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    #81 John of Japan, Sep 20, 2018
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    Absolutely.
     
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    So the incarnation occurred at the Exodus? Confused

    I don't expect you to actually answer any point I make (you never do), so natter on. :p
     
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    Jesus = YHWH. Paul says; “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” Are you implying all of the OT saints went to hell?
     
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    No. Are you implying there is no trinity and no incarnation?
     
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    The Spirit though seems to come upon and then leave people when their task for God was done in the OT!
     
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    They would have been regenerated and saved, but not Indwelt by the Spirit as we are now...
     
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    Yes, as the Spirit worked among and with the prophets, priests, judges, kings, but seemed to be reserved for those in offical positions for God to do!
     
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    So you would see the saved under the Old Covenant as being partarkers in the Church that is Spiritual israel in the NT? So the Holy Spirit was not actually 'settingup" the Church proper until day of pentacost? Could the OT belevers been regerated and had God forgive teir sins based upon the Coming Messiah, but not indwelt them as he does us today?
     
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    Yes, as both OT saved and NT saved are part of Spiritual Israel, the Church/Body of Christ
     
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    I think a man after God's own heart will be!
     
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    Another book of interest would be "The Local Church of the New Testament" by Richard V. Clearwaters.

    It is available at https://www.amazon.com/Local-Church-New-Testament/dp/B0007FVYEE

    (In the interests of full disclosure Dr. Clearwaters was president of the Seminary I attended, and one of my mentors, so I may be a bit biased in favor of him and his writings.)
     
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    I take it as a given that O.T. saints had something of the Holy Spirit; there are various texts that confirm this. I also take it as a given that the Spirit came in a fuller way at Pentecost. Whether the O.T. saints were 'regenerated,' indwelt' or both is something I do not know and decline to speculate upon.
     
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    Yes, indeed! I have that one too.
     
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    The Church was prefigured in the OT, but was NOT in existence here upon the earth until Day of pentacost, but being true Spiritual Israel, both saved OT and saved NT jews and Gentiles are part of the One Body of Christ.
     
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    I think thta we can all agree that saved OT saints were saved by Cross of Christ, are part of the Church of Christ, and we also have the Holy Spirit operating in a completed fashion with us now under the NC, as we now have all spiritual blessings in Christ.
     
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    The spirit was "distributed "at Pentecost not strengthened
     
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    To be forgiven though by God, the Spirit had to do "something" with OT saints, correct?
     
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    The term "spiritual Israel" occurs nowhere in Scripture.
     
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    Paul alludes to it in Galatians though, as he addresses jersualem of the flesh/earthly, and the one that is spiritually and heavenly...
     
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