Featured Review of Free Will 2

I understand the man-made terms created to justify your theology, yes I do.

You can dress it up any way you want, or deny it anyway you want, but it's a binary choice. God either elects someone for salvation or he doesn't.

I understand that if the choice is between two things, say red and white, therefore not choosing white means you have chosen red. You didn't "pass over white", you chose red.

 

Not to hijack the thread but for clarification...

I read that Hoeksema denied the 3 points of common grace. Is God’s restraining the lost from being as wicked as they can be considered part of the 3 common points?

 

Repeat after me 20 times: 'The one who comes to Me, I will in no wise cast out' (John 6:37). The gate of heaven is wide open, and whoever will may enter.

 

Huh...that's interesting. I didn't know there was sin "before the foundation of the world." Everybody was condemned already before the world was created. I see.

I guess Adam didn't have free will in the Garden after all...

 

You need to show how this last statement is wrong to make your point.
Logically

 

Was there sin before the world was created? No.
Was there any person believing before the world was created? No.

Yet you say man was condemned from before the world was created and then tell me that God does not predestinate people for damnation.

Even after the world was created, there was no sin in the world.

Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

You should brush up on your reading comprehension. No reason to have discussions with you until you do.

Have a nice day.

 

I agree with this, idk I think.you have me wrong.
This verse is after salvation, eternal security, not election

 

Forget election for a moment-- unless you have been up to heaven, had a look at the Book of Life and found your name missing. The message to sinners is, "Come to Christ; He will not turn you away." But when they come, they will find that God has loved them from eternity, given them to the Son who has redeemed them from death and hell, and drawn them to Himself with lovingkindness by the power of the Holy Spirit.

'Come, ye sinners, poor and wretched,
Weak and wounded, sick and sore.
Jesus ready stands to save you,
Full of pity joined with power.
He is able,
He is willing, doubt no more.

Come, ye needy, come and welcome;
God's free bounty glorify!
True belief and true repentance,
Every grace that brings us nigh,
Without money,
Come to Jesus Christ and buy!

Let not conscience make you linger,
Nor of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him.
This He gives you;
'Tis the Spirit's rising beam!

Come ye weary, heavy-laden,
Bruised and broken by the Fall;
If you tarry 'til you're better
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous--
Sinners Jesus came to call!

View Him prostrate in the garden;
On the ground your Maker lies;
Then on Calvary's tree behold Him,
Hear Him cry before He dies:
"It is finished!"
Sinner, will this not suffice?

Lo! Th'incarnate God ascended,
Pleads the merit of His blood.
Venture on Him, venture wholly,
Let no other trust intrude;
None but Jesus
Can do helpless sinners good. [Joseph Hart, 1712-1768]

 

Yes, the Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus

but we have to still decide individually

Mar 10:17¶
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18¶
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20
And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21¶
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22¶
And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

 

And that is the message every Monergist pastor I know preaches. Come to Christ!

The Free offer of the Gospel is hotly debated among Monergists. I understand the conundrum it presents. If the Father has chosen the Elect from all eternity, does not that mean there are those who are not chosen? And if that is so, has the Father created people for the purpose of perdition? It is a very hard question to ask and it is intellectually dishonest not to ask it. Does scripture speak to this issue? I think it does. I recommend this issue be discussed in a separate thread since this thread is probably close to being closed by @SquireRobertsson given the number of posts. If you do not mind, I will start such a thread and see where it goes.

 

They usually let it grow to 166 posts

 

We were not created for hell,

 

No one on here has even remotely alluded to saying they are.

 

Bruh...what planet does the air you breath get pumped in from? Your posts make ZERO theological sense. It's like you're throwing a bunch of stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks.