Is the Greek reliable?

Actually, the AV1611's language is classified as early modern English, although much of it is now obsolete. But why fool with it when God's word is readily available in OUR English style.

And I betcha ya can't show us ONE WORD of Scriptural support for the KJVO myth from the KJV itself. That fact alone renders the KJVO myth false, as all TRUE doctrines of faith/worship are found in Scripture, either directly or by unmistakable implication, such as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

 

roby, you raise an interesting point. I have seen many people lost in Cults revere the writings of false prophets; be it the S.D.A., JWs, Herbert Armstrong Church of God, or the Mormons.

There is a passage in The Holy Bible that I will reference when engaged in discussion with individuals. It is the passage in John when Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees. I would like to share a portion of that passage here, in reference to John 5:18: I am going to highlight verses 38, 39, & 43:

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Oh, in case you missed the post, I had some questions for you, if you wouldn't mind taking some time to give an answer: Is the Greek reliable?

 

as a KJVO believer I want to go on record and say that I do not approve of the behavior of Heretic Hunter.

People like Heretic Hunter do not adequately represent my position of holding to the KJV and I ask that those on the BB please do not lump all KJVO adherents with this kind of behaviour and reasoning.

 

I love teaching the Biblical Doctrine of The Holy Trinity from The Holy Bible.

With your challenge, that you make to me in your post here, again I ask you, if you have missed it, I asked you some questions, and if you should choose to answer them, I will be more than delighted to follow through with some sound Scriptures from The Holy Bible. Here is the link: Is the Greek reliable?

 

Thank you, Jordan, for your eloquent declaration. You point is duly noted. Please know, that I am not here to respresent you or a group.

If you wouldn't mind, would you please explain Revelation 3:14-22 in contrast with 2Timothy 4:1-5?

 

People like you are the reason why it's often hard to have actual meaningful conversations with people about the Bible translation issue. You come out here with all this non sense, don't even answers peoples questions and then when someone actually comes around trying to discuss things about Bible translations they think all KJVO believers are like you.

John of Japan is a good brother and you have time and time again ignored simple questions from him. You seem to dodge questions a lot. You posts seem to be a whole lot of smoke and very little substance.

 

Thank you for your commendations of John of Japan. We are just beginning to break ground in getting to know one another, or at least, that is my desire.

I appreciate you for sharing your perspective, with feedback, on the exchange of dialog between myself and John. It appears that we view things a bit differently.

I'm unsure if you caught my last request for you, but if you don't mind, would you please explain Revelation 3:14-22 in contrast with 2Timothy 4:1-5 and expound upon the issues concerning the Lukewarm Church?

 

There is absolutely no doubt that feathers have been ruffled on this thread. The time has long be come that multitudes have not been enduring sound Biblical Doctrine. It didn't happen over night. There has been a steady progression of deception for nearly 500 years. Churches and Semenaries have been steadily conned by Devil into giving up the Sword of the Spirit, and replaced it with a cheap knock off, so generic, and cheap, that it had rendered them useless and ineffective. You can't have on the full Armour of God without the Sword of the Spirit! The Churches are full of people that have no understanding of what is written. False Pastors, False Deacons, False Elders, and False Teachers are abounding in great numbers!

Today, I see a perverse and wicked generation. I don't have to turn on the television to see the evil, or turn on the radio to hear the evil, I see the evil outside on the streets, in neighborhood after neighborhood, in Churches, and in Politics. I see World Leaders embracing all antichrist religions, and participating in antichrist religious ceremonies. High places and images of idols have been set up and flooded into every City and State aound The United States, and in other nations, including England, Ireland, Scotland, and France. Nations that were once Christian nations have been decreed to no longer be Christian nations. The Gate of Baal had been put on tour around the world, placed for a while in New York, then in Washington D.C. As if it weren't enough to kick God, The Holy Bible, and prayer out of Schools, the Ten Commandments had been removed from Government Buildings and Court Houses; Marriage has been redefined to be something of perversion. Recently, the Governor of New York has sign a Bill to legalize the muder of babies right up to the day of delivery, to murder both the born and the unborn. I am shaking my head in shock, as America's children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren are being seduced into the Occult practice of Yoga and hypnosis in Public Schools, and being groomed by perverse men and women dressed as member of the opposite sex reading books in their classrooms. I see Churches embracing Jezebel's false prophets, including the Muslims, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. I see Churches practicing Yoga, and most don't even teach the Bible in Sunday School. Drugs and Witchcraft has being legalized by enemies of Jesus Christ! Abortion has been legalized by enemies of Jesus Christ! Marriage has been hi-jacked by enemies of Jesus Christ! The Churches are being overtaken by enemies of Jesus Christ! They are convincing and deceiving Churches to abandon their Swords of the Spirit!

The world is being deceived, the children are being deceived.

Within the last few days since I joined this Baptist Forum, I have witnessed with my own eyes, a man denying the bodily ressurection and physical of the Lord Jesus Christ. I witnessed another man blending Christianity with the Occult of Gnosticism. I am aware of another man that denies the Biblical Doctrine of hell. Furthermore, I am aware of yet, another man that has demonstrated on multiple ocassions to not engage in a meaningful conversation, and this same man has refused to share a salvation testimony, explain who he believes Jesus to be, share the Gospel, or discuss any substance of Biblical Doctrine to offer evidence of faith to confirm that he is a Believer, but instead has maintained the steady pattern of casting doubt on The Holy Bible and subsequently, subverting the truth, whilst making shipwreck of peoples' faith, and had gone further to demonstrate a seared conscience by not stopping to render aid, but continued with hit and runs, as if he were driving a Mack Truck. I have witnessed other things that are equally just as evil. In all of this, what I found most disturbing, is how others have put trashing The Holy Bible, the written Word of God, the Sword of the Spirit, ahead of stopping and rebuking the evil anitchrist doctrines of devils.

It is my prayer that if there be Children of God here, that you will step forward and say to me, "Brother, I hear you."

Wake up Brothers! Wake up! The Churches are slumbering! The spirit of iniquity is abounding! There is a call to battle for the souls of your children and your grandchildren! Are there anyone that will hear this sound of warning and call upon the Lord and seek His counsel?

During the time when precious babies are being murdered, drugs and other perversions are being legalized, and children and grandchildren are being seduced by infidels, and deceived into practicing witchcraft, what is happening here? Folks are not enduring sound Biblical Doctrine, and Christians are being beguiled into surrendering The Holy Bible! Wake up Church! Wake up! the Churches are slumbering! The spirit of iniquity is abounding! Our Country is being deceived! Call upon the Lord! Seek Him now while there is still time!

 

The KJV is not a first-hand source for the Scriptures given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

 

Are you trying to suggest that you claim to be the only one who has a correct understanding of Bible doctrine?

So far, you have not demonstrated any sound understanding of the substance of the Bible doctrines of inspiration and preservation. You have not presented any positive, clear, consistent, sound, scriptural case for your claims or opinions concerning the KJV.

 

Already, in the quotation of the Watchtower Publication that I shared with John, I see a couple of names in it that you regularly use in your ever ready copy & paste to cast doubt on The Holy bible. Care to take a gander to see what I see? I've got a lot more than that. That's just a sample of the propagated antichrist agenda.

 

Do you demonstrate that you endure and teach sound Biblical doctrine when you advocate following the opinions of men concerning the KJV?

You have not proven that your teaching concerning the KJV is sound Bible doctrine taught in the Scriptures.

 

Rick, I didn't name you as the driver of the Mack Truck in that post, but it was you that drove the Mack Truck.

 

You make false allegations that could be considered to bear false witness since I do not cast doubt on the Scriptures. Disagreeing with your non-scriptural claims or opinions concerning the KJV is not casting doubt on the Scriptures. I accept and defend the KJV as what it actually is while your posts suggest that you seek to claim that the KJV is something that you do not prove it to be.

You do not practice what you preach since you do not engage in meaningful discussion. Even a fellow KJV-only believer maintained that you present very little substance concerning the matter of Bible versions.

 

You fail to realize that people actually read the threads in other Forums where you drive the Mack Truck, and keep tabs. There is more than sufficient evidence that proves false witness has not been made, by me, against you.

On several ocassions, you were asked to share a salvation testimony; share the Gospel; define who Jesus Christ is; and more, in your own words, using the Bible to demonstrate an evidence of your faith to establish whether or not you are Christian. You refused each and every time. Furthermore, it was also requested for you to pause your propaganda campaign long enough for meaningful conversation. You refused and drove that Mack Truck in high gear at a high rate of speed.

You would not even say what Church Denomination you belonged to, leaving people to guess whether or not if you were a Cult member? You would not even acknowledge the question.

No, I did not bear false witness against you.

 

Perhaps KJV-only advocates do not understand what would actually constitute sufficient, sound evidence for their unproven accusations.

Too often KJV-only advocates merely assume based on their own unproven KJV-only premises instead of proving their premises to be true and scriptural. Their own inconsistent, human, non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning prevents them from seeing and applying scriptural truths justly.

1 Thess. 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Ephesians 5:10
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

 

Why should other posters answer your questions when you do not answer their questions to you?

 

You took two verses of Scripture out of context to purport accusation against me. I can show pages from JW, S.D.A., and Mormon publications where those people do the same against Christians.

Again, you refer to me, in a derogatory manner, without acknowledging my person. What sort of meaningful conversation is that, when addressing me in such a manner, that is beyond even referring to someone in the 3rd person? Not to mention the absence of apology. This is just another demonstration of rehearsed counter-argument to deflect from the issues.

 

Are you moderating the Board? Is it against the rules to ask other participants questions? Am I supposed to cower to you and others that challenge my faith, check my brain in at the door, and submit as a slave? Don't try to use those jim Jones tactics on me. I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid.

Would you like to instead, discuss the questions and challenges that I have made to you? Are you willing to make an attempt at a meaningful conversation?