Chosen in Him

Yet another post not addressing the fact that Ephesians 1:4 cannot refer to our individual election for salvation. Instead another verse is misrepresented to change the subject, 1 Peter 2:2.

" Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, 2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, 3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord." (NASB)

Obviously this refers to our growing in maturity after we were chosen and set apart in Christ. Thus, off topic and non-germane.

Returning to topic:
Individual Election for salvation before creation is precluded by 1 Peter 2:9-10. No one was elected individually before creation, otherwise they would never have not been a chosen people.

 

Rewriting scripture to conform to man-made doctrine is a mistake. Scripture does not say once we were not a people because we were but had not experienced it.

Look, you have one verse with a mistaken understanding (chosen individually before creation) and you hold on to that even though verse after verse precludes that view. James 2:5 says we are chosen during our lifetime after we are (1) poor to the world, (2) rich in faith and (3) love God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we are chosen through faith in the truth. 1 Corinthians 1:26-30 has our election occurring when many of us are not rich, or powerful or of noble birth.

 

No need to change the subject to Divine Knowledge, because it is non-germane. We know when scripture tells us we are chosen, during our lifetime after we believe. We are chosen through faith in the truth, when we are rich in faith, and as heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God. We know we were not chosen individually before creation because during our lifetime we were not a people, but now we are a people.

God's word is true. And God's word says God is "all knowing." So by the numbers:
1) God exists and rewards those who seek Him.
2) God is all powerful, all knowing, and present everywhere.
3) God makes plans, such as the predetermined plan to put Christ to death.
4) Before Creation, God chose Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity to be His Lamb, His Redeemer.
5) God therefore chose those the Redeemer would redeem, corporately as the target group of His redemption plan, thus He chose us in Him.
6) God could not have chosen us individually before creation because once we were not a chosen people.

 

I do not think further discussion is possible. I explained why your view is precluded, and you simply said the verse did not preclude being chosen before creation. Nothing I can do with that.

You seem to fabricate issues without basis. Did I say the redemption plan did not include individual election? Nope, I said the exact opposite, it does.

Rather than invent issues already addressed, why not explain how we lived without mercy if we had already been individually elected. Next you may claim that to be chosen individually for salvation does not mean we obtained mercy.

This view fits with all scripture, your apparent view is precluded by numerous passages such as James 2:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

No they are not, Ephesians refers to God choosing us in Him before the foundation of the world corporately, and the others referring to God choosing us individually during our lifetime, after we were not a people, via positional sanctification (God putting us into Christ) based on crediting our faith as righteousness. There is only one way to fit these together, and you seem to have rejected it, going with we experienced not being chosen when we really were. Nonsense.

 

Did God foresee the Fall of Adam and the result God imposed, the separation and corruption at conception of every person? Yes, because before the fall, before creation, God chose the Second Person of the Trinity to be the Lamb, the Redeemer of those who believe fully in God. As Pink concluded, God did not cause Adam to sin, but He did arrange (putting the tree in the garden) for Adam to fall. At the time (actually before time) God chose us in Him, thereby granting grace to whoever would be redeemed from before creation and receiving that grace upon entering Christ spiritually. (2 Timothy 1:9)

 

Yet another off topic effort to change the subject. Look, you have one verse (Ephesians 1:4) with a mistaken understanding (chosen individually before creation) and you hold on to that even though verse after verse precludes that view. James 2:5 says we are chosen during our lifetime after we are (1) poor to the world, (2) rich in faith and (3) love God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we are chosen through faith in the truth. 1 Corinthians 1:26-30 has our election occurring when many of us are not rich, or powerful or of noble birth. And to add to the list of verses demanding that the election in Ephesians 1:4 is corporate is 1 Peter 2:9-10, which says we were not a people. Therefore we could not have been chosen individually before creation. Otherwise we would always been a people.