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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Feb 12, 2019.

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  1. percho

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    I was on blue letter bible and only saw seven.
     
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    Versions that have treated in Luke 2:48
    NIV
    RSV, NRSV, ESV
    NASB, NAS 77,
    HCSB, CSB
    ISV
    NET
    NHEB
    WEB
    plus these that have "dealt with" in Luke 2:48
    KJV, JB2000, KV2000, AKJV
    ERV
    Darby
    WBT

    Thus treated, appointed, designated, declared, purposed, and dealt with are possible choices that eliminate the theological problem of God being made into actual sin.
     
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    Just more to wonder, why none of them translated as, treated, in 2 Cor 5:21
     
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    I answered that question, please respond to my answer rather than just repeating your question.

    Please list all the alternate translations (those not using make/made or do/does/did/done). I will give you a head start

    Contemporary English Version
    Christ never sinned! But God treated him as a sinner, so Christ could make us acceptable to God.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him.

    According to one sort, there are 74 places where our word appears (in the same form as 2 Cor. 5:21), and I have given you the alternates for 2 of them, so 72 to go. Have fun learning the ways translators have chosen to translate the contextual meaning.

    Last guess, after group think, translators sometimes make mistakes.
     
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    Galatians 3:13
    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

    Deuteronomy 21:23
    his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

    Isa 53:6 NASB 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.​

    It isn't a "sin" to die on a tree, but one is cursed. God caused Jesus to become cursed with death, the punishment for sin. But Jesus' body did hang all "night" as the sky grew dark at his death and he remained on the tree (cross) until that eclipse or whatever it was had dissipated.
     
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    :rolleyes: Neither of these is translating what the text says, which is that God made Christ to be sin. Both of these versions (I won't dignify them with the name 'translations') are doing what you are doing: saying what they think the text ought to be saying whilst ignoring what it actually says.

    Instead of trying to dodge the clear and obvious meaning of the text, you should be trying to understand it, which is done, not by bringing in new words to make the text say what you want it to say, but by comparing Scripture with Scripture. You don't have to look very far. God made the sinless Christ sin in the same way that we, sinners that we are, become the righteousness of God. By imputation.
     
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    Not sure Martin what the purpose of your post was, since more dozen versions translate the word as "dealt with" or "treated." Your claim the word cannot mean treated, dealt with, appointed, purposed, or declared denies reality.
     
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    Galatians 3:13 provides insight, Let's say the curse or penalty of the Law is the burden or debt that must be paid to redeem. Christ paid the price of redemption, He was treated or dealt with as the price of redemption, the curse.
     
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    Everything you've said on this thread makes no sense. It certainly isn't biblical. Christ was made sin this is what scripture says. You just need to accept the truth.
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    Denying that the verse can be translated as say He dealt with the One knowing no sin to be sin for our sake... carries the burden of proof. I showed the word can and is translated in alternate ways.
     
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    Of course you have decided that if you don't like what scripture says you can always change it. What you are doing is changing the word to suit your self, and then trying to convince others your version is better. In my opinion the way you want it is wrong. It makes no sense. Christ was not "treated" but was "made sin". It's simple we have enough confusion in the world with all the new versions of the Bible. Then here you are creating more confusion
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    Now I do not like what scripture says! You sir are just making up this stuff.
    Yes I believe translations contain mistranslations that can be identified and corrected by study.
    Using personal incredulity as evidence is a logical fallacy.
    I think the mistranslations of 2 Cor. 5:21 have created confusion, whereas the correction creates clarity.
    KJVO folks believe if a version deviates from their version, it is wrong. But the reality is that view is provincial.
     
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    There is no requirement from Greek grammar for the translation choice of "made" over and against "treated." Other equally viable choices are "He appointed him to be sin" and "He purposed him to be sin," He "declared" Him to be sin, He designated Him to be sin, and He "dealt with" Him to be sin.
    According to the Greek grammar, the alternate choices are more likely than "made" because they highlight the "Divine Initiative."
     
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    The Bible is clear enough the way it is. If you believe it is wrong, why believe it at all. I know if I believed scripture was wrong I would not waste my time on it's study. Why not change the meaning of all the words? not just one or two.Go ahead make your own translation.
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    Unless there is double Imputation happening on that cross, the theology of Pauline Justification falls apart!
     
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    Just accept the truth that He who knew no sin was made sin for us!
     
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    Van is still trying to persuade all of us that he has the right way to view all of this, despite what Greek experts try to tell him!
     
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    I'm sure he feels he is right but he is the only one.
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    I see lots of petty insults toward Van, and no bible discussion.
    Do they deny the word can be translated as anything other than made?

    He treated the One knowing no sin to be sin for our sake so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
     
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    Van;
    no one is insulting you we are just in disagreement with you. Because you want to change the Bible and you don't have the authority.
    MB
     
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