Satan Crushed Shortly

Jesus returning will end all history as we now know it, as will be Him here sitting up His Kingdom!

 

And every one of those answers was incorrect.

Simple FACTS are:

Satan is NOT yet crushed; the undeniable proof is the prevalence of sin.

Preterism, both full and partial, is false. The events prets SAY have already occurred, simply have NOT yet occurred. No getting around that fact.

 

The point is that it is the 'same Jesus.' It is the same One who left that will return 'in like manner.' So first of all, it is not an invisible or 'spiritual' Jesus. 'Behold My hands and My feet that it is I Myself. handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have' (Luke 24:39). It is this Jesus who left earth, and people watched Him leave: '.....While they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight' (Acts 1:10). They saw Him leave until the cloud received Him. He will return in like manner; people saw Him go; people will see Him return. He will be invisible until the cloud reveals Him; then 'Every eye will see Him.....' The meaning of these verses is as plain as the nose on your face. Christ is coming and when He comes, everyone is going to know about it.

Christ being our Priest-King didn't start in AD 70. He was our priest when He offered the one perfect acceptable sacrifice of Himself for sin. He was King from before time began, but revealed to us in His incarnation (e.g. John 1:49). And He was 'with us' long before AD 70 (Matthew 28:20).

Look, Tom, I don't have anything personal against you at all; I'm sure you're a lovely fellow. But your eschatology has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese. And it does matter, because you are denying the future bodily Return of Christ, which sets you outside the realm of orthodoxy, and when you try and spread your errors you are teaching people to ignore the clear warning of our Lord: "Watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming -- in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster or in the morning -- lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. And what I say to you, I say to all' (Mark 13:35-37). This word was not only spoken for the benefit of the disciples who were present, almost all of whom would have been dead by AD 70 anyway; no, it is spoken to 'all,' to us who read the words today. We are to live as if Christ might come this very day, and to be ready to greet Him. To tell new Christians that He isn't coming at all is a desperate wickedness. I'm sure you're sincere, but you're sincerely wrong and are spreading your errors Just as Paul warned the Thessalonians (2 Thessalonians 2:1-2).

 

When Jesus vanished, I'm sure he simply entered the cloud, same as an aircraft does now. Whe witnesses didn't see Him zap to heaven, by whatever means He used. And when he returns, the sky will be cloudless in places, solid overcast in others, partly cloudy in others, same as right now.

When He departed, He appeared as an ordinary man to the witnesses. When He returns, He will be in His full majesty, "in great power & glory", as He said . And according to Rev. 1:7, those in hades, both paradise & torments, will see Him then, according to what He told John. And I believe he will be on a horse..

Preterism ignores Jesus. very words in Matt. 24:29-30, as well as the words of the angel in Revelation. While Jesus is SPIRITUALLY here whenever/wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in His name, He has NOT yet physically, visibly returned yet. And He won't, til the "beast' is in power.

Remember, O preterists, Biblical prophecy MUST be fulfilled EXACTLY, TO THE LETTER. Nothing else is its fulfillment. And when Jesus does return, He will cast the beast & his sidekick the false prophet alive into the lake of fire, destroy his army with His spoken word, & take over the rule of the whole world for 1K years, with Satan being banished during that time.

Now, how near or how far those events are, I cannot tell, but for the first time in history, many signs are being fulfilled, such as the great falling away, the increase in travel & knowledge as never before, the jews readying to build a new temple in Jerusalem, the Jews being a terror to Egypt(Isaiah 19) and the Gospel's being proclaimed to almost the whole world. (There are very few peoples that haven't heard the Gospel now!)

Jesus compared the signs to birth pangs. Now, we all know birth pangs start slowly, then become closer together and more-intense till delivery occurs. That's the way these signs are. But the generation that sees them begin will see ALL of them, including Jesus' return. If we see one man assembling a great empire from the peoples of the old Roman & Holy Roman empires, that'll be a sure sign that our redemption is near!

 

BTW, Tom, I have nothing against you, either. I realize you've been deceived by some charlatan (s)somewhere. As an amateur historian, with 3 encyclopediae handy,(Britannica, Collier's, World Book), I KNOW there's absolutely NO evidence that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred. If you studied history more-closely, you'd see that for yourself.

 

It's not the O.T. Jesus we're talking about. It is 'This Jesus.....' Which one? The one 'who was taken into heaven.' The sam,e one who left is the same one who will return. And just in case there's any doubt, He will return 'In like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.' They saw Him go; they, and/or others, will see Him return. It;s there in the text.

No I didn't.

Repeating oneself becomes tedious after a while. 'WHILE THEY WATCHED, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.' They saw Him rise; then a cloud came across, and they couldn't see Him any more. He left visible. He will return in like manner. That they carried on gazing is true (and very understandable), but it doesn't alter the basic fact which is that Acts 1:11 sinks Hyper-preterism without trace.

 

It does in Acts 1:11 as I explained. 'This same Jesus' is the one who left. He left in a body. He will return in like manner, i.e. in a body.

If He was visible, how come nobody saw Him? And I tend to think that visibility has rather a lot to do with one's nature.

 

Christ was seen leaving in the clouds. Thomas felt His wounds over 500 people witnessed seeing Christ after the resurrection. If He was Spirit only then what happened to His body. It seems you are twisting it to make seem to support your view.

The thing with the witch of Endor was a hypnotic event, it wasn't real. Witches still do the same trick. There is nothing real in the occult it;s all imagination and post hypnotic suggestion. Mostly convincing lies. After all the Devil is a master deceiver.

Oh no your dot's are blurred. They must be here you did say connect the dots. Sorry I don't see any dot's.
Speaking of angles we will also judge the angles. Just messing with you.

And how do you know that "nobody saw Him" in AD 70?[/QUOTE]
Then what may I ask is the resurrection for? if not to be rejoined with our new bodies.
MB

 

I do not know, and nor do you.

The point is that, whatever may have been the state of Moses and Elijah, Christ had a physical body when He left. That is why I quoted Luke 24:39 earlier. It is the same physical Jesus who will return, in the same physical way that He left.

Boy! You certainly know how to clutch at straws! How do you now that nobody saw Ganesha the Hindu elephant god at Jerusalem in AD 70? Or a pre-incarnate Mohammed?

 

Thing is, the disciples who saw the transfiguration knew who Moe & Lige were, even though they didn't have pics of them. We don't know how they knew who they were. Maybe they heard Jesus address them by name. Maybe Jesus simply caused them to know.

And nobody saw Jesus on earth in 70 AD cuz He didn't return then.

 

Yes, you have the right to be wrong and believe nonsense.

But I hope you cease making light of Jesus' future return in favor of that goofy preterism garbage.

 

The Second Coming will be seen worldwide, as history as we now know it ends then!

 

I just had to do it.

 

I came to the end of this thread which will probably be shut down soon.

One prophecy I have asked preterists to expound upon on more than one occasion is from Chapter 14 in Zechariah which IMO is obviously a companion and fulfillment to Acts 1:9-12 Where Jesus from His favorite meeting place - the Garden of Olives - commanded the disciples to go into the world with the gospel followed by the heavenly visitors explaining his return "in like manner".

Zechariah 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

"all the earth" see verse 2 : "All Nations"

and following with great detail:

I don't remember ever getting a good exegesis of Zechariah Chapter 14 from any preterists and invite anyone to explain this very literal description of the Lord waging war on the world from the geographic location of the Mount of Olives with a HUGE valley being made a way of escape for His own.

There are myriad other prophecies to be explained.